Spinoff:There is no Such Thing as a Nation

Inquistive

New member
Just like race, nationailty is socially constructed. In other words, if you say race doesn't exist, you have to say nations don't either. Someone mentioned in Nikki's thread about how nationality is dependent upon culture. I'm sorry, Dare. That's not true. A person who grew up in NYC would for the most part have a different outlook on life to a person who grew up in the rural areas of Montana. Discussions like this have always brought about debates on what is an American. There is no definitie answer. America is not a culure. Legally, it's a birth right. However, many countries do not subscribe to birthright citizenship.
 
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Toppa_Toppa

Guest
*chants* There's no such thing as Optimizm ... there's no such thing as Optimizm ... there's no such thing as Optimizm ...*clicks heel three times*
 

NikkiGiovanni

Warrior Queen
Just like race, nationailty is socially constructed. In other words, if you say race doesn't exist, you have to say nations don't either. Someone mentioned in Nikki's thread about how nationality is dependent upon culture. I'm sorry, Dare. That's not true. A person who grew up in NYC would for the most part have a different outlook on life to a person who grew up in the rural areas of Montana. Discussions like this have always brought about debates on what is an American. There is no definitie answer. America is not a culure. Legally, it's a birth right. However, many countries do not subscribe to birthright citizenship.

HMMMMMMMMM

you might be on to something there......
 

Oneshot

where de crix
you on a levels tehre opti but if it exists in the mind it exists in reality.

perception is the powerful ting
 

agroDOLCE

SweetfuhDayz
Just like race, nationailty is socially constructed. In other words, if you say race doesn't exist, you have to say nations don't either. Someone mentioned in Nikki's thread about how nationality is dependent upon culture. I'm sorry, Dare. That's not true. A person who grew up in NYC would for the most part have a different outlook on life to a person who grew up in the rural areas of Montana. Discussions like this have always brought about debates on what is an American. There is no definitie answer. America is not a culure. Legally, it's a birth right. However, many countries do not subscribe to birthright citizenship.
opti...you like to discuss these topics so much, you should've been a social sciences major. in discussions like these you're getting into the real vs the really real. not sure how much exposure you have to anthropology, but i think you'd really enjoy it.
 

Oneshot

where de crix
opti...you like to discuss these topics so much, you should've been a social sciences major. in discussions like these you're getting into the real vs the really real. not sure how much exposure you have to anthropology, but i think you'd really enjoy it.
i would think he would do well in a PPE course? Philosophy, Politics, Eco,; he definitely has the interest
 

Inquistive

New member
opti...you like to discuss these topics so much, you should've been a social sciences major. in discussions like these you're getting into the real vs the really real. not sure how much exposure you have to anthropology, but i think you'd really enjoy it.
I like science topics, but I don't think they are forum freindly, especially on here.
 

Missmayling

Registered User
Just like race, nationailty is socially constructed. In other words, if you say race doesn't exist, you have to say nations don't either. Someone mentioned in Nikki's thread about how nationality is dependent upon culture. I'm sorry, Dare. That's not true. A person who grew up in NYC would for the most part have a different outlook on life to a person who grew up in the rural areas of Montana. Discussions like this have always brought about debates on what is an American. There is no definitie answer. America is not a culure. Legally, it's a birth right. However, many countries do not subscribe to birthright citizenship.
country hick will not have the same outlook in life as city slick person from town or the city. You see this in every country
 

SKBai1991

Registered User
Just like race, nationailty is socially constructed. In other words, if you say race doesn't exist, you have to say nations don't either. Someone mentioned in Nikki's thread about how nationality is dependent upon culture. I'm sorry, Dare. That's not true. A person who grew up in NYC would for the most part have a different outlook on life to a person who grew up in the rural areas of Montana. Discussions like this have always brought about debates on what is an American. There is no definitie answer. America is not a culure. Legally, it's a birth right. However, many countries do not subscribe to birthright citizenship.
Comparing NYC to Montana isn't necessarily valid, since 1/3 of NY's population is foreign born, and outside of that the majority of New Yorkers are descended from recent immigrants. You're comparing a highly cosmopolitan and heterogeneous society to one that is rural, homogeneous and largely not mobile.




And yes, nationality is socially constructed but society and social arrangements do exist, as a result nationalities exists within those dimensions.

If a group of people feel tied together based on common history, culture, language and lifestyle then they are a nation. Whether or not they exist politically is debatable but their existence outright is not debatable if there exists a collective consciousness
 
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Toppa_Toppa

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Comparing NYC to Montana isn't necessarily valid, since 1/3 of NY's population is foreign born, and outside of that the majority of New Yorkers are descended from recent immigrants. You're comparing a highly cosmopolitan and heterogeneous society to one that is rural, homogeneous and largely not mobile.




And yes, nationality is socially constructed but society and social arrangements do exist, as a result nationalities exists within those dimensions.

If a group of people feel tied together based on common history, culture, language and lifestyle then they are a nation. Whether or not they exist politically is debatable but their existence outright is not debatable if there exists a collective consciousness

:good:
 

SKBai1991

Registered User
Nations exist (see toppa explaination and also by defination). Race exist; either wholisticly, or species.
+1

just because something is a social construct doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Nations are a social construct because they are a form of social arrangement.
 

LB

Peace Love n Pretty Tings
Comparing NYC to Montana isn't necessarily valid, since 1/3 of NY's population is foreign born, and outside of that the majority of New Yorkers are descended from recent immigrants. You're comparing a highly cosmopolitan and heterogeneous society to one that is rural, homogeneous and largely not mobile.




And yes, nationality is socially constructed but society and social arrangements do exist, as a result nationalities exists within those dimensions.

If a group of people feel tied together based on common history, culture, language and lifestyle then they are a nation. Whether or not they exist politically is debatable but their existence outright is not debatable if there exists a collective consciousness
Nations exist (see toppa explaination and also by defination). Race exist; either wholisticly, or species.


Lawd, its a toss up between the two of you! :luv
 

soca cowboy

THE BATTLE FOR EVERYTHING
nations exist, but in the bigger picture don't really matter much due to the constant erosion of sovereignty

The Erosion of State Sovereignty - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com

In order to properly address the issue of eroding state sovereignty it is first necessary to examine the key ideas of the state and sovereignty. The classic definition of the modern state was penned by Max Weber and essentially states that a state is a compulsory political association with continuous organization whose administrative staff successfully upholds a claim to the monopoly of the legitimate use of force in enforcement of its order within a given territorial unit.

The 1648 Peace of Westphalia brought an end to the Thirty Years War and in the process it established the concept of sovereignty which shaped the European international order for the next century and beyond. Specifically, the treaties of Münster and Osnabrück granted the princes of Europe the right to decide for themselves which religion would be practiced within their territory. There are generally considered to be two types of sovereignty, internal and external. Internal sovereignty means the "supremacy over all other authorities within that territory and population" External sovereignty refers not to "supremacy but independence of outside authorities."

Although sovereignty is frequently discussed in absolute terms within political and legal theory, levels of sovereignty can and do vary between states. A lesser degree of sovereignty does not render a state devoid of international personality.

Many individuals argue that modern states are currently experiencing an erosion of sovereignty and they offer several reasons for the decline of the state. The most basic cause of the erosion of state sovereignty is the increasing interconnectedness of states. The process of globalization is responsible for the emerging interdependence. Globalization is "the process whereby state-centric agencies and terms of reference are dissolved in favour of a structure of relations between different actors operating in a context which is truly global rather than merely inter-national."
 
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