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I encourage you to take your time and view this documentary.

It is old but this documentary is on the coup that sought to overthrow Hugo Chavez as rightful president of Venezuela in the year 2002. I really hope that if you have a spare hour or so (and a fast connection) that you spend it watching this documentary.

Hugo chavez and the Coup 2002

Would love to hear any comments AFTER you view. Thanks and I gone again.

I encourage you to take your time and view this documentary.

It is old but this documentary is on the coup that sought to overthrow Hugo Chavez as rightful president of Venezuela in the year 2002. I really hope that if you have a spare hour or so (and a fast connection) that you spend it watching this documentary.

Hugo chavez and the Coup 2002

Would love to hear any comments AFTER you view. Thanks and I gone again.

hey lady!!!

I checked it out. Makes me hate the Us even more. Granted, there involvement in the Chavez Coup is highly speculatory, I know the depths this country will go to to get there point across.

now. what would you like to discuss?

Why do you hate the US even more now?

Why do you describe their actions as "depths"?

...anyone can feel free to respond as well.

Ever heard of Operation Northwoods?

"Hate" however, while perhaps too extreme an emotion, is nonetheless understandable in some cases.

Never heard of it...and I can look it up but why don't you enlighten me? Let's not shift focus from this particular incident/issue though...

Chavez came to power through coup, that said, if the US believes he's a threat to democracy, why is support to more pro-Democracy factions that great an evil?

Never heard of it...and I can look it up but why don't you enlighten me? Let's not shift focus from this particular incident/issue though...

Chavez came to power through coup, that said, if the US believes he's a threat to democracy, why is support to more pro-Democracy factions that great an evil?

Why do you hate the US even more now?

Why do you describe their actions as "depths"?

...anyone can feel free to respond as well.

Never heard of it...and I can look it up but why don't you enlighten me? Let's not shift focus from this particular incident/issue though...

Chavez came to power through coup, that said, if the US believes he's a threat to democracy, why is support to more pro-Democracy factions that great an evil?

Now this is the thing with you; in one post you speak as if you have volumes of information even though you sometimes admit (often in the very same post) that you don’t know much about it.

I don't profess to know everything, never have...never will. That which I know of I speak of and unlike some, I have no problems stating when I don't know something.

For your information Chavez only attempted a coup to remove a corrupt regime.

Who decided that it was corrupt...Chavez? How was he different than the plotters who now look at his own presidency as corrupt? Personally I don't believe his regime to be corrupt...just problematic at this point, but the principle is the same, if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. Plotting to overthrow Chavez is no more evil than Chavez plotting to overthrow earlier regimes.

It failed. His presidency was enabled by a democratically elected process.

He was democratically elected (despite claims of ballot-fixing and voting irregularities)...I meant to say that he came to prominence because of the coup.

You also hardly ever bother to find out the background on a given theme or verify even when it is explained to you.

Nonsense that I won't even bother further responding to...other than to say that the bulk of time I'm on Imix is while I'm being paid to do the people's job.

I say this b/c this is not the first time I brought up Operation Northwoods.

Yeah well I'm under no obligation to run into any and all post that have Ananci_7 on it. Sorry if I missed your earlier presentations perfesser.

And furthermore, this is not shifting from this particular issue at all; it’s about citing past examples to look for patterns and placing things in historical context. Something our “educated” US friends hardly ever bother to do which is why they could never fathom the level of hate and resentment many people feel towards them in the so-called Third World and Middle East.

By now I imagine you would have realised that this Operation Northwoods was a plan devised by the CIA and certain people in the State Department to invade Cuba by staging attacks including strafing and aerial bombing operations as well as by shooting and explosive attacks against US people and installations. This was to be done by US people dressed to look as Cubans and using aircraft with Cuban markings. The public outcry would then encourage a full scale military invasion of the island and remove Castro.

You could have saved your fingers the work, imix some bandwith and yourself a whole lot of long talk by simply beginning with the above paragraph.

This is not the first or last time such a thing has been conceptualised. The infamous Gulf of Tonkin incident that precipitated massive US involvement in Vietnam is another

I suppose that was evidence of the 'Great Satan' at work too huh? lol

and one of the theories surrounding the destruction of the battleship Maine in Havana’s harbour that sparked the Spanish-American War is that the ship’s magazine was deliberately blown up and by agents for the US.

Thanks again...but they actually teach about that incident in these substandard public schools here in America...not really news.

Note also that many people in Washington who advise the president are either serving or former military people who understand the concept of sacrificing the lives of a portion of one’s own troops in order to achieve an even greater objective such as to flush out a target into the open. I myself knew of this concept/tactic; it’s an often unspoken thing that has a myriad of variations in military and even VIP escort operations.

yeah...it's called 'Collateral Damage'...but I know pedantics is yuh thing


if the US believes he's a threat to democracy, why is support to more pro-Democracy factions that great an evil

To even ask that question shows how innocent one can be about how the US and Europe pay only lip service to their own much-touted ideals. The US only supports democratic principles when it can be manipulated to serve their own narrow interests; “democracy” to this day is a vague, scarcely defined term that is hardly ever more than a people voting in a basically elitist administration every 4 or 5 years and having the press say whatever it feels like. While freedom of the press is very important and laudable, it can be used to undermine the very democracy it serves. More importantly, real “people power”; the ability of the population to have an active and constant say in the running of their country is something that the West has a serious problem with when it applies to developing countries. All this hollow nonsensical talk about exporting “freedom and democracy” to the people of the world, tell me, why then, didn’t they respect the functioning democracies of Iran under Mossadegh, Guatemala under Arbenz in the 1950s; Congo under Lumumba, Chile under Allende in 1973 (September 11, 1973); Jagan in Guyana and Venezuela under Chavez today? (And that is just a few examples) I think Kissinger summed it up pretty nicely when he was referring to the Chilean people:

I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the irresponsibility of its own people.

Why do you hate the US even more now?

Why do you describe their actions as "depths"?

...anyone can feel free to respond as well.

I don't profess to know everything, never have...never will. That which I know of I speak of and unlike some, I have no problems stating when I don't know something

Obviously never reading what you yourself write

Who decided that it was corrupt...Chavez? How was he different than the plotters who now look at his own presidency as corrupt?....the principle is the same, if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. Plotting to overthrow Chavez is no more evil than Chavez plotting to overthrow earlier regimes.

What exactly do you know about Venezuela's history and the realities of its social constructs? What do you even know about the recent referandum?

You could have saved your fingers the work, imix some bandwith and yourself a whole lot of long talk by simply beginning with the above paragraph.

Sorry, tried that already, doesn't work. I have to spell things out for you. That robotic mentality is kinda reminiscent of how soldiers "think". Were you in the army by chance?

I suppose that was evidence of the 'Great Satan' at work too huh? lol

Well, infant, trivialise and reduce things to simplistic levels it if you must. Seems to be the only way you can discuss anything