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Old 03-16-2007, 07:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Income statistics USA for African Americans

Interesting post on another thread. Opinions?
Originally Posted by Dragon Horse
Check out the book "Our Kind of People" it talks all about class differences...actually black Americans have the highest class statification of any ethnicity in America and it is growing not decreasing. There are far more black middle class today than 50 years ago...most blacks are middle class, however 50 years ago most blacks lived in poverty, a very very small percentage were middle class, and a minute number were rich.

Basically what has happened is the vast majority of blacks are middle class and above, but we have people who are very poor, the bottom 25% are more poor than any other group.

If you put black wealth on a Bellcurve, we have more varience in income per capita than any other group.
Here is something from Cobb's site on black income statification:
2004 University of Georgia Selig Center study, U.S. Census Bureau, National Black Chamber of Commerce, Target Market News, 2004 NUL "State of Black America" Report
74% live above the poverty line (vs. 10% in 1940 and 45% in 1960). All-time high above poverty: 79% in 2001
5% rich, 44% middle class, 27% working class, 24% poor (2004)
Overall median household income: $$37,000 (2000). Median income for married households: $48,000 (2002)
Top 5 states with highest median black household income: New Hampshire $43,574, Alaska $42,887, Maryland $41,652, Hawaii $41,032, New Jersey $38,513
so basically in the past most blacks were poor, very few were wealthy so there was low class stratification...now the stratification is huge.
what it means is the poorest blacks are falling further behind everyone else, about 50% of black children are born in poverty (because the bottom 25% of blacks who are poor have almost half the children)...so basically every black American that makes it out of poverty into the middle class is probably replaced by two just born into it.
This is a major problem.
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Old 03-21-2007, 01:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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about 50% of black children are born in poverty (because the bottom 25% of blacks who are poor have almost half the children)...so basically every black American that makes it out of poverty into the middle class is probably replaced by two just born into it.
This is a major problem.
I'm tired of people pointing out the problem. What's up with a solution!!!!
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people need to stop having so many kids when they dont have the money to support them. Id like to see the stats for latino kids though.
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people need to stop having so many kids when they dont have the money to support them. Id like to see the stats for latino kids though.
When you're on welfare, the more kids you have, the more money you get
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i always wonder about these so called stats and even the anecdotes people tell about black americans....that just has not been my exeperience.

i never knew anybody who didnt atleast go to college (not 100% graduated but most), or who exhibited uber-ghetto behavior or who were in jail when I was growing up.

The black america i grew up in was filled with charm school, debutant balls, father-daughter dances, and multigenerational college legacies.

somebody posted the other day about how black american mothers are ghetto and levae their children all about the place....i can honestly say, i have never known anybody personally not as a child nor an adult who participates in that type of behavior.

i realise class is an issue, but i always wonder where y'all meet the negros that yall does hang around....
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Put a limit on welfare. 3 kids and the 4th you are on your own.
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Originally Posted by Nisha7 View Post
i always wonder about these so called stats and even the anecdotes people tell about black americans....that just has not been my exeperience.

i never knew anybody who didnt atleast go to college (not 100% graduated but most), or who exhibited uber-ghetto behavior or who were in jail when I was growing up.

The black america i grew up in was filled with charm school, debutant balls, father-daughter dances, and multigenerational college legacies.

somebody posted the other day about how black american mothers are ghetto and levae their children all about the place....i can honestly say, i have never known anybody personally not as a child nor an adult who participates in that type of behavior.

i realise class is an issue, but i always wonder where y'all meet the negros that yall does hang around....
That is the whole point, there seems to be a widening divide in AfroAmerica between the haves and have nots.
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Originally Posted by Nisha7 View Post
i always wonder about these so called stats and even the anecdotes people tell about black americans....that just has not been my exeperience.

i never knew anybody who didnt atleast go to college (not 100% graduated but most), or who exhibited uber-ghetto behavior or who were in jail when I was growing up.

The black america i grew up in was filled with charm school, debutant balls, father-daughter dances, and multigenerational college legacies.

somebody posted the other day about how black american mothers are ghetto and levae their children all about the place....i can honestly say, i have never known anybody personally not as a child nor an adult who participates in that type of behavior.

i realise class is an issue, but i always wonder where y'all meet the negros that yall does hang around....
hon, come and spend the weekend in DC and come around my way. I live not too far form this place called "simple city". These kids and there parents aren't BAD in my opinion, however, they are ignorant and extremely misguided as to what it takes to overcome and grow beyond the confines of there present environment.

I come from that type of mentality, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest. however, if you were to interact with them, you may be turned off initially.



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Put a limit on welfare. 3 kids and the 4th you are on your own.
My woman and I was just talking about this. This country needs MAJOR welfare reform. I've seen too many cases where women who aren fit to be mothers are so becuase of the precieved benefit that comes with the birth of a new child.
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Originally Posted by Otorongo View Post
That is the whole point, there seems to be a widening divide in AfroAmerica between the haves and have nots.
but my point is the people who fall within the less privileged classes, which according to these stats and others ive read, make up a smaller portion of blacks in this country seem to be the representation for black americans.

as far as the anecdotes go: i suspect that if these are the kindsa people u are encountering, then it says something about the caliber of your surroundings, assuming u are encountering them in a social setting of some sort.
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Originally Posted by Otorongo View Post
That is the whole point, there seems to be a widening divide in AfroAmerica between the haves and have nots.
+100

Personally, I blame segregation on this.
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Originally Posted by kevlocks View Post
hon, come and spend the weekend in DC and come around my way. I live not too far form this place called "simple city". These kids and there parents aren't BAD in my opinion, however, they are ignorant and extremely misguided as to what it takes to overcome and grow beyond the confines of there present environment.

I come from that type of mentality, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest. however, if you were to interact with them, you may be turned off initially.
hold up, now do you really think i wanna go anywhere called "simple city"

but seriously, i am not saying that those type of people don't exist, my question is do they really make up the vast numbers of blacks? and if peoples' answer is yes, what are they basing it on?
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Originally Posted by Nisha7 View Post
but my point is the people who fall within the less privileged classes, which according to these stats and others ive read, make up a smaller portion of blacks in this country seem to be the representation for black americans.

as far as the anecdotes go: i suspect that if these are the kindsa people u are encountering, then it says something about the caliber of your surroundings, assuming u are encountering them in a social setting of some sort.
The famous saying of the rotten apple. It is more noticed. And the media harps on it. Of course if childbirth statistics remain constant they won't be the minority for long.
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+100

Personally, I blame segregation on this.
Really? I blame desegregation....
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Originally Posted by Nisha7 View Post
Really? I blame desegregation....
Naw, desegration didn't create the situation.
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Originally Posted by Nisha7 View Post
Really? I blame desegregation....
that's what I meant.
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Naw, desegration didn't create the situation.
I think it LED to the situation. I've spoken to some elders from different regions across the country and they feel like once desegregation took place, you had the people with the money and talent leave the black communities (which were mostly in big urban areas) to go live in what we call the "suburbs". This left a hole within the black communities that have yet to be dealt with accordingly.

Here where I live in DC, it's VERY obvious. There was a time the entire city was black. However, once desegregation came, plenty of the people moved out into Maryland with the promise of living a different life. This took a lot out of the city, and it would come to a head with the invasion of crack/cocaine on the streets.

20-30 years later, this poor city STILL hans't recooperated. You throw in the local regentrification efforts of the ignorantly priviledged, and you've got a mess on your hands.
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