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Old 01-26-2007, 10:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The darker you are the less

you can expect to be fairly compensated, according to a recent study:


Study: Immigrants’ skin tone affects earnings
Those with lighter skin make more money; height also factors in


NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Light-skinned immigrants in the United States make more money on average than those with darker complexions, and the chief reason appears to be discrimination, a researcher says.

Joni Hersch, a law and economics professor at Vanderbilt University, looked at a government survey of 2,084 legal immigrants to the United States from around the world and found that those with the lightest skin earned an average of 8 percent to 15 percent more than similar immigrants with much darker skin.

"On average, being one shade lighter has about the same effect as having an additional year of education," Hersch said.
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The study also found that taller immigrants earn more than shorter ones, with an extra inch of height associated with a 1 percent increase in income.

Prejudice goes beyond race
Other researchers said the findings are consistent with other studies on color and point to a skin-tone prejudice that goes beyond race.

Hersch took into consideration other factors that could affect wages, such as English-language proficiency, education, occupation, race or country of origin, and found that skin tone still seemed to make a difference in earnings.

That means that if two similar immigrants from Bangladesh, for example, came to the United States at the same time, with the same occupation and ability to speak English, the lighter-skinned immigrant would make more money on average.

"I thought that once we controlled for race and nationality, I expected the difference to go away, but even with people from the same country, the same race — skin color really matters," she said, "and height."

Although many cultures show a bias toward lighter skin, Hersch said her analysis shows that the skin-color advantage was not due to preferential treatment for light-skinned people in their country of origin. The bias, she said, occurs in the U.S.

Economics professor Shelley White-Means of the University of Tennessee at Memphis said the study adds to the growing body of evidence that there is a "preference for whiteness" in America that goes beyond race.

ersch drew her data from a 2003 federal survey of nearly 8,600 new immigrants. The survey used an 11-point scale for measuring skin tone, in which 0 represents an absence of color and 10 the darkest possible skin tone.

From those nearly 8,600 participants, she focused on the more than 2,000 who were working and whose skin tone had been recorded during face-to-face interviews.

Few color discrimination suits
William Darity Jr., an economics professor at the University of North Carolina, said Hersch's findings are similar to a study he co-authored last year on skin tone and wages among blacks.

"We estimate that dark- or medium-skinned blacks suffered a discriminatory penalty of anywhere from 10 percent to 15 percent relative to whites," he said. "This suggests people cue into appearance and draw inferences about capabilities and skills based on how they look."

Darity said it is not clear whether the bias is conscious or subconscious.

Hersch said her findings, which will be presented at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science next month in San Francisco, could support discrimination lawsuits based not on race, but on color.

"There are very few color discrimination suits, but they are on the rise," she said. "But these suits can be hard to prove."


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If it's true for immigrants, guess it's fair to say the same practice is applied to "ethnic" Americans as well

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Old 01-27-2007, 09:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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good story lola. you see alot of this type of discrimination especially in the caribbean, namely the spanish speaking countries. being a black dominican, i experience this and i've seen the lighter dominicans move up ladders quicker than black dominicans or get more job opportunities. where i disagree with the author is when they state that this bias occurs here in the US and not in an individuals' country of origin. the stuff happens anywhere.
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Originally Posted by beeg mon View Post
good story lola. you see alot of this type of discrimination especially in the caribbean, namely the spanish speaking countries. being a black dominican, i experience this and i've seen the lighter dominicans move up ladders quicker than black dominicans or get more job opportunities. where i disagree with the author is when they state that this bias occurs here in the US and not in an individuals' country of origin. the stuff happens anywhere.

How many ''Black dominicans'' are there ?

Black meaning self-identified

Also is there self-determination programs Black dominicans.Or are most happy with the ''indio'' and ''better the raza'' type speach
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And the less likely you were to play mass in certain groups in certain places...I will not say more but still in shock that sh!t actually happens but its being addressed.
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The research also found height played a part in salary with taller immigrants earning more, with every inch adding an additional one percent to their wages.
So technically, Shaq should be earning similar wages to Danny Devito.
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So technically, Shaq should be earning similar wages to Danny Devito.
What country did they emigrate from??

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What country did they emigrate from??
Study only used immigrants for study purposes, the conclusions apply to all the US.
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Originally Posted by Otorongo View Post
Study only used immigrants for study purposes, the conclusions apply to all the US.
The article clearly noted that said conclusions apply to ppl after isolating out differences in ethnicity, language proficiency, education, occupation, etc.

So again, what is the background similarity btw Shaq and DeVito??
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Originally Posted by Mystic Xtremist View Post
The article clearly noted that said conclusions apply to ppl after isolating out differences in ethnicity, language proficiency, education, occupation, etc.

So again, what is the background similarity btw Shaq and DeVito??
They isolated out ethnicity. That means it doesn't matter.
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Originally Posted by Otorongo View Post
They isolated out ethnicity. That means it doesn't matter.
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Joni Hersch, a law and economics professor at Vanderbilt University, looked at a government survey of 2,084 legal immigrants to the United States from around the world and found that those with the lightest skin earned an average of 8 percent to 15 percent more than similar immigrants with much darker skin.
Meaning they compared immigrants of similar backgrounds. Meaning they did not compare immigrants of different backgrounds. Meaning ethnicity matters.

Now, once mo' again: what...is...the...ethnic...similarity...between...Shaq...and ...DeVito???
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Originally Posted by Mystic Xtremist View Post
Lord.

Meaning they compared immigrants of similar backgrounds. Meaning they did not compare immigrants of different backgrounds. Meaning ethnicity matters.

Now, once mo' again: what...is...the...ethnic...similarity...between...Shaq...and ...DeVito???
Lord, are you dumb? They compared people of similar backgrounds to facto OUT the ethnic factor. That means that once the conclusion is drawn it applies to ANY ethnicity in the US regardless of ethnicity. Or so the study claims.
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Lord, are you dumb? They compared people of similar backgrounds to facto OUT the ethnic factor. That means that once the conclusion is drawn it applies to ANY ethnicity in the US regardless of ethnicity. Or so the study claims.
OK Einstein. So you're contending that you can take any person of lighter hue, compare them to any person of darker hue, and find that the lighter-hued person will make more money. And take any tall person, compare them to a short person, and the taller will make more. Brilliance.

Unlike the study, you obviously have not factored out the myriad of other possible differences that may affect their comparative salaries prior to comparing Shaq and DeVito.

So the answer is, no, I'm not dumb. It's obvious you were trying to be "technical", but there's no reason to try to make light of racism and its ugly effects. This is the real talk forum.
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