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mkdfootball · 03-02-2009, 05:28 PM

This is a new thread started by a new comer to island mix. I have started this thread because ludacris 81, bklynpyscho, sugarapple268 and i are wondering what happen to the party animals.

I use to go to a soca fete (party) and be drained of every once of energy i had, cause everyone was there for one purpose. To party and have a good time. In recent history that has not been the case.

When i first started

im a virtually newbie to this soca thing i jumped on bored about 2002-2003. Ludacris81 was the one who put me on. At first i was a little hesitant cause i didnt really understand the music or what they were saying. I did love the energy and atmosphere. No fighting or gun busting or bottle splashing. So i decided to give it a chance, and im glad i did. I started learning and understanding. The more i did the more i loved it.

The good times

when i was at a soca fete or concert with the likes of allison hinds, machel montano, destra garcia, bunji garlin and whoever else came to brooklyn. It was great cause you had the powder posse the water posse ( which consisited of people who throw there water in the air instead of drinking it) the different groups. The crowd movers you know the groups that would open up the middle of a crowded dance floor. Those times were fun you could jump and wave and act a fool without someone being mad cause u pushed bumped or stepped on there shoes. That was a time if you knocked someone down you pick em up and laugh it off. That went for the women as well. I mean it was probably a women who pushed you to the floor. (that aint ever happen to me). You walk out of the party tired but happy. I remember when i went to a fete and the people who wanted to chill were on the wall or in the back. Thats where they should stay.

The present day.

Today when i go to soca fete people stand around and look at each other like there in a museum. People dont come to party they come to style and profile. For what reason i dont know. They dont come to dance or sweat. I actually asked a women y did u come here tonite. Oh just to chill. I say if you want to chill stayin your house and open a bottle of wine and cut on the miles davis (that's a jazz musician). Or at least if you have to go out go to a bar or lounge not to a party, club, fete or concert. I actually had aperson tell me i didnt come to a wete fete to get wet. How crazy is that?

Conclusion

i know this was a long introduction to a new thread. I thought it was neccessary. So you know y i started this new thread. Last but not least i want everyone reading this to comment on what i wrote and leave there thoughts on what they think of the soca scene in brooklyn.

See ya!!!!

Mkdfootball

#1 TRINIBOY · 03-10-2009, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by mkdfootball

This is a new thread started by a new comer to island mix. I have started this thread because ludacris 81, bklynpyscho, sugarapple268 and i are wondering what happen to the party animals.

I use to go to a soca fete (party) and be drained of every once of energy i had, cause everyone was there for one purpose. To party and have a good time. In recent history that has not been the case.

When i first started

im a virtually newbie to this soca thing i jumped on bored about 2002-2003. Ludacris81 was the one who put me on. At first i was a little hesitant cause i didnt really understand the music or what they were saying. I did love the energy and atmosphere. No fighting or gun busting or bottle splashing. So i decided to give it a chance, and im glad i did. I started learning and understanding. The more i did the more i loved it.

The good times

when i was at a soca fete or concert with the likes of allison hinds, machel montano, destra garcia, bunji garlin and whoever else came to brooklyn. It was great cause you had the powder posse the water posse ( which consisited of people who throw there water in the air instead of drinking it) the different groups. The crowd movers you know the groups that would open up the middle of a crowded dance floor. Those times were fun you could jump and wave and act a fool without someone being mad cause u pushed bumped or stepped on there shoes. That was a time if you knocked someone down you pick em up and laugh it off. That went for the women as well. I mean it was probably a women who pushed you to the floor. (that aint ever happen to me). You walk out of the party tired but happy. I remember when i went to a fete and the people who wanted to chill were on the wall or in the back. Thats where they should stay.

The present day.

Today when i go to soca fete people stand around and look at each other like there in a museum. People dont come to party they come to style and profile. For what reason i dont know. They dont come to dance or sweat. I actually asked a women y did u come here tonite. Oh just to chill. I say if you want to chill stayin your house and open a bottle of wine and cut on the miles davis (that's a jazz musician). Or at least if you have to go out go to a bar or lounge not to a party, club, fete or concert. I actually had aperson tell me i didnt come to a wete fete to get wet. How crazy is that?

Conclusion

i know this was a long introduction to a new thread. I thought it was neccessary. So you know y i started this new thread. Last but not least i want everyone reading this to comment on what i wrote and leave there thoughts on what they think of the soca scene in brooklyn.

See ya!!!!

Mkdfootball

Well like u im also new to de fetein scene....As a matter of I started like a year and half ago....and I get into de soca ting like 1999,2000....I found myself liking it on my own....My family was never into de soca,party or carnival scene(which is strange cuz they born Trinidadain) I had to discover it on my own.But yeah....I used to look at flyer and party picture wishin I was old enuff to get in de damn fete...lol But not It's just not de same....Brooklyn used to have rell show will nuff artist during year and even more so at labor Day time....But now u lucky if u find ah good fete wit a good line up of artist....Don't get me wrong they still have good fete...(S.O.D) But not like they did back in de day at places like de Ark and KC HideAway....But Hey I hope thing Get better in de Years to come.....

Sincredible · 03-10-2009, 09:39 AM

I remember Ghost Crew with their big Ghostbusters flag. If they were around, plus me and my crew, that party is going to get wild. Ark, KC Hideaway, old B.E.C., Soca Arena before it was renamed, that club by Canarsie, Temptations prime, Caribbean City prime etc. This is when Soca was at it's finest. I'm still remembering when J'ouvert was pure madness, and you had to excape the powder and oil crew, or that's the end of your outfit. After batty man Guilliani kept making all kinds of rules, that by itself was never the same.

Anyway besides this trip to memory lane, Soca will never die in BK or in the tri-state period. S.O.D. sell off as always, props to TriniKings dem. Thusty Troupe for being the new Ghost crew and getting that rep as a wild soca crew, props to dem. Machel selling out the MSG, props to winer boy. Wet Fete, no matter what Luda says, will always sell off. Labor Day weekend, will ALWAYS SELL OFF. Shout out to Sesame Flyers, Rango, Chocolate City, etc. Shout out to me, because as long as I'm alive, Soca will never die!!!

bklynpsycho · 03-10-2009, 11:58 AM

True to all those that commented before me I highly agree with all of you. IMO I feel Brooklyn been going through some changes for a while now. The Soca seen I don't feel is dead but on life support and it needs some changes to jolt it back to life. The lost of the Ark and the in consistence of KC Hideaway (Hard to tell if its closed one time but open another). really lick Soca in BK in a negative way. I'm glade a place like the Base/Soca Arena is still open but people get tired of going to the Base.

I remember going to the....hold on let me say this correctly..."The Elite Ark" when Soca was crazy and in its finest. As someone said in another thread one fete could produce 5 DJs, 7-8 artists, along with maybe 3-4 band all in one night. Its hard to find a line up like that in BK anymore and if you are lucky Laborday weekend sometimes produce that type of line up. You know by this time there would have been 3-4 fete either already passed or up coming But you hardly hear anything.

Another thing I feel that is changing Brooklyn is Manhattan. Nothing wrong with Soca in Manhattan. Nothing wrong with Manhattan but where else did you hear soca being played...Maybe queens if you are lucky. But Manhattan took a partition of the Brooklyn crowd and turned it upside down. Producing a crowd that would rather worry about having their dresses or look is still in tacked by the end of the night than sweating it out and look bad there after. A growing stush crowd came out of this and they migrate back and forth with the same attitude acting as if a Brooklyn soca fetes has the same attitude as a Manhattan Soca "Party"...I don't call Manhattan soca parties fetes.

Moreover, changes that came when Guilliani was control of New York killed how long we used to party in these fete. In the past a fete could go as far as 6 am or longer. But all that changed and now you have Cops lurking around waiting for Sh*t to go down just to shut down the party early.

On Laborday I don't even wanna touch that topic...we all ready established that in a thread a few months ago. To many ignorant asses come spoiling things because of stupid agendas.

I hope the Soca scene isn't dead or dying I've always questioning it as a whole for the past 2 years. But I really hope that BK hasn't lost its swagger as being one of those Meccas or capitals of Soca outside the Caribbean.

SweetControversy · 03-10-2009, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Sincredible

I remember Ghost Crew with their big Ghostbusters flag. If they were around, plus me and my crew, that party is going to get wild. Ark, KC Hideaway, old B.E.C., Soca Arena before it was renamed, that club by Canarsie, Temptations prime, Caribbean City prime etc. This is when Soca was at it's finest. I'm still remembering when J'ouvert was pure madness, and you had to excape the powder and oil crew, or that's the end of your outfit. After batty man Guilliani kept making all kinds of rules, that by itself was never the same.

Anyway besides this trip to memory lane, Soca will never die in BK or in the tri-state period. S.O.D. sell off as always, props to TriniKings dem. Thusty Troupe for being the new Ghost crew and getting that rep as a wild soca crew, props to dem. Machel selling out the MSG, props to winer boy. Wet Fete, no matter what Luda says, will always sell off. Labor Day weekend, will ALWAYS SELL OFF. Shout out to Sesame Flyers, Rango, Chocolate City, etc. Shout out to me, because as long as I'm alive, Soca will never die!!!

Wet Fete is dying a slow death. Chocolate City last yr, from general consensus, was sh!t last year. Sesame needs more hype djs. Jam Central was great but the others need to be replaced. RIP to The Elite Ark. There is where i experienced my first Wet Fet, my first BIG soca fete, my first everything in the soca world. all you promoters need to take notes. Soca in BK is dying a slow death and someone needs to revive it!

4mydawgz · 03-10-2009, 03:54 PM

it's not that the promoters aren't doing their job. it's a combination of the artists coming with lackluster songs and no available venues. the last big soca event that i really enjoyed in brooklyn was caribbean woodstock. big bands and big songs. i think it was xtatik, krosfyah, traffik, and atlantik. that party i was dying for it to be over. no party has rocked like that since. with the police so quick to shut everything down... fetes reach'n morning are a thing of the past.

RUCKUS · 03-10-2009, 03:56 PM

I don't think that it's a problem with the promoters and./or venue. The artists are the ones who are killing the Soca Scene in NYC. Let me give you a little insight to the cost of these events looking at last years prices:
Destra & Atlantik: 15,000.00
Travel for 13 people x 650.00 per ticket: 8,500.00
Hotel - usually about 8 rooms X $150.00 x 3 days: 2,250.00
Per Dieum 40 x 13 x 3 days" 1,560.00
Venue Cost with Bar: 7,000.00
Security: 2,500.00
Radio/Internet/Street Team Promotion: 2,000.00
P/A System: 2,500.00
Totaling over 41,000.00 Now this is the cost of 1 band. In order to break even you need about 1,400 people to pay an average price of $30.00, and people complain about that price.

Multiply the band fee, airline tickets, per dieum and hotel x 4 and the budget becomes way out of hand.

I'm not taking away anything from the artist but the performance fees have to come down significantly in order for the soca scene in NY to come back to the way it was back in the days.

bklynpsycho · 03-10-2009, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by 4mydawgz

it's not that the promoters aren't doing their job. it's a combination of the artists coming with lackluster songs and no available venues. the last big soca event that i really enjoyed in brooklyn was caribbean woodstock. big bands and big songs. i think it was xtatik, krosfyah, traffik, and atlantik. that party i was dying for it to be over. no party has rocked like that since. with the police so quick to shut everything down... fetes reach'n morning are a thing of the past.

oh man I was there for Caribbean Woodstock with MKD and Ludacris81 that was a wild ass day. I think Red Hot Flames was also on the card if I remember but yeah without to many locations in BK to hold such a line up it's hard to do something like that ever again.

bklynpsycho · 03-10-2009, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by RUCKUS

I don't think that it's a problem with the promoters and./or venue. The artists are the ones who are killing the Soca Scene in NYC. Let me give you a little insight to the cost of these events looking at last years prices:
Destra & Atlantik: 15,000.00
Travel for 13 people x 650.00 per ticket: 8,500.00
Hotel - usually about 8 rooms X $150.00 x 3 days: 2,250.00
Per Dieum 40 x 13 x 3 days" 1,560.00
Venue Cost with Bar: 7,000.00
Security: 2,500.00
Radio/Internet/Street Team Promotion: 2,000.00
P/A System: 2,500.00
Totaling over 41,000.00 Now this is the cost of 1 band. In order to break even you need about 1,400 people to pay an average price of $30.00, and people complain about that price.

Multiply the band fee, airline tickets, per dieum and hotel x 4 and the budget becomes way out of hand.

I'm not taking away anything from the artist but the performance fees have to come down significantly in order for the soca scene in NY to come back to the way it was back in the days.

I totally agree with you on the price tag for artist is big nowadays. Kinda explans why it's hard to get the so called Machel HD experince back in Brooklyn. But hear this how come it us easy and maybe I'm wrong for Dr. Jay in toronto to get the type of line up he promotes up in T.dot. Do you think these promoters here in NYC are to lasy to give the people thier moneys worth for the price we pay currently for less artist, but about the same price tag as we did for 5 big bands with a price tag of $40+ and more at the door?

RUCKUS · 03-10-2009, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by bklynpsycho

I totally agree with you on the price tag for artist is big nowadays. Kinda explans why it's hard to get the so called Machel HD experince back in Brooklyn. But hear this how come it us easy and maybe I'm wrong for Dr. Jay in toronto to get the type of line up he promotes up in T.dot. Do you think these promoters here in NYC are to lasy to give the people thier moneys worth for the price we pay currently for less artist, but about the same price tag as we did for 5 big bands with a price tag of $40+ and more at the door?

Dr. Jay just promoted an event single acts and no big bands, and it seems like the venues with the capacity for over 2,500 people. I believe that if we had a venue for about 2,000 people, promoters will take the chance and put together a great show. Now the question is will the people pay a higher ticket price?

I think that the program that Foreign Accent " The First Taste" put together with the main headliners and a US based band to back them up as another work around to the pricing problem.

**Vincy-Soca-Diva** · 03-10-2009, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by RUCKUS

I don't think that it's a problem with the promoters and./or venue. The artists are the ones who are killing the Soca Scene in NYC. Let me give you a little insight to the cost of these events looking at last years prices:
Destra & Atlantik: 15,000.00
Travel for 13 people x 650.00 per ticket: 8,500.00
Hotel - usually about 8 rooms X $150.00 x 3 days: 2,250.00
Per Dieum 40 x 13 x 3 days" 1,560.00
Venue Cost with Bar: 7,000.00
Security: 2,500.00
Radio/Internet/Street Team Promotion: 2,000.00
P/A System: 2,500.00
Totaling over 41,000.00 Now this is the cost of 1 band. In order to break even you need about 1,400 people to pay an average price of $30.00, and people complain about that price.

Multiply the band fee, airline tickets, per dieum and hotel x 4 and the budget becomes way out of hand.

I'm not taking away anything from the artist but the performance fees have to come down significantly in order for the soca scene in NY to come back to the way it was back in the days.

... Finally somone break it down into numbers I understand why my ticket so high and if promoter buss he reall buss. OK I understadn but in this day and age it is really hard to shell out that kind of cash for a fete.

**Vincy-Soca-Diva** · 03-10-2009, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by bklynpsycho

True to all those that commented before me I highly agree with all of you. IMO I feel Brooklyn been going through some changes for a while now. The Soca seen I don't feel is dead but on life support and it needs some changes to jolt it back to life. The lost of the Ark and the in consistence of KC Hideaway (Hard to tell if its closed one time but open another). really lick Soca in BK in a negative way. I'm glade a place like the Base/Soca Arena is still open but people get tired of going to the Base.

I remember going to the....hold on let me say this correctly..."The Elite Ark" when Soca was crazy and in its finest. As someone said in another thread one fete could produce 5 DJs, 7-8 artists, along with maybe 3-4 band all in one night. Its hard to find a line up like that in BK anymore and if you are lucky Laborday weekend sometimes produce that type of line up. You know by this time there would have been 3-4 fete either already passed or up coming But you hardly hear anything.

Another thing I feel that is changing Brooklyn is Manhattan. Nothing wrong with Soca in Manhattan. Nothing wrong with Manhattan but where else did you hear soca being played...Maybe queens if you are lucky. But Manhattan took a partition of the Brooklyn crowd and turned it upside down. Producing a crowd that would rather worry about having their dresses or look is still in tacked by the end of the night than sweating it out and look bad there after. A growing stush crowd came out of this and they migrate back and forth with the same attitude acting as if a Brooklyn soca fetes has the same attitude as a Manhattan Soca "Party"...I don't call Manhattan soca parties fetes.

Moreover, changes that came when Guilliani was control of New York killed how long we used to party in these fete. In the past a fete could go as far as 6 am or longer. But all that changed and now you have Cops lurking around waiting for Sh*t to go down just to shut down the party early.

On Laborday I don't even wanna touch that topic...we all ready established that in a thread a few months ago. To many ignorant asses come spoiling things because of stupid agendas.

I hope the Soca scene isn't dead or dying I've always questioning it as a whole for the past 2 years. But I really hope that BK hasn't lost its swagger as being one of those Meccas or capitals of Soca outside the Caribbean.

For the blue portion I've been guilty at times of worrying about my hair and that's why I don't bother to go out anymore I just stay home and chill. That and the fact most places too small to really get on bad. I would love to go SOD but the last time I went the crowd was too tight. Secrets is a great spot but that place getting on tight too.

That man in red ruined everything for everyone trust me with what I'm telling you. I hope all of this changes for the better. I actually miss getting on bad. And I need a new crew to lime with if I go out all my crew breed up or turn christian and don't go out. Any crewd taking applications I would like to put in for a spot. I can wine and get on bad when I'm ready

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mkdfootball · 03-10-2009, 10:05 PM

WHAT I RESPONSE I HAVE GOTTEN SO FAR. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAYING RUCKUS ABOUT THE PRICING. I I BELIEVE IF YOU GOT THE LINE UP OF SOCA ARTISTS WITH THERE BAND THE PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP. CAUSE CHECK TIS AT A TYPICAL S.O.D PEOPLE PAY 15-20 DOLLARS FOR AN ADVANCE TICKET AND UP TO 40-50 DOLLARS AT THE DOOR. AND THATS WITH NO ARTISTS. IF U STARTED AT 30 FOR EARLY TICKETS THEN WENT TO 40. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A PROFIT. CAUSE YOU KNOW PEOPLE SHOWING UP THE DAY OF TRYING TO WALK IN AND THEY GOING TO PAY THAT 60 DOLLAR PRICE CAUSE THEY CAME THERE TO SEE A SHOW. IN MY OPINION THEY WILL BE EXPECTING TO PAY THAT MUCH. THE ONLY HURDLE I REALLY SEE IS THE VENUE?

THE PROBLEM MOST OF THE TIME IS NOT HAVING ARTIST. ITS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO COME OUT DONT COME TO PARTY. THEY COME TO PROFILE LIKE I SAY TAKE PICTURES AND BE THE KINGS AND QUEENS OF 7DAYS 7NIGHTS, TALK OF NY, ISLAND MIX GALLERY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS WE DONT REALLY HAVE THE VENUES RIGHT NOW FOR A BIG BAND CONCERT. THATS NO EXCUSE FOR NOT PARTYING!

4mydawgz · 03-11-2009, 11:46 AM

$40 to see three big bands does not seem like too much for me.

I would pay $60 to see Machel, Krosfyah and Red Hot Flames, but the venue gotta be correct.

4mydawgz · 03-11-2009, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by RUCKUS

Dr. Jay just promoted an event single acts and no big bands, and it seems like the venues with the capacity for over 2,500 people. I believe that if we had a venue for about 2,000 people, promoters will take the chance and put together a great show. Now the question is will the people pay a higher ticket price?

I think that the program that Foreign Accent " The First Taste" put together with the main headliners and a US based band to back them up as another work around to the pricing problem.

Dr. Jay is the equivalent of Back to Basics. He has a strong following in Toronto, and ram out a fete with his name alone. I actually think he is larger in Toronto compared to B2B in NY.

03-02-2009, 05:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
mkdfootball THE AMERICAN SOCA LOVER. Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: BROOKLYN Posts: 56 Credits: 1,302	What happen to the soca scene in brooklyn? This is a new thread started by a new comer to island mix. I have started this thread because ludacris 81, bklynpyscho, sugarapple268 and i are wondering what happen to the party animals. I use to go to a soca fete (party) and be drained of every once of energy i had, cause everyone was there for one purpose. To party and have a good time. In recent history that has not been the case. When i first started im a virtually newbie to this soca thing i jumped on bored about 2002-2003. Ludacris81 was the one who put me on. At first i was a little hesitant cause i didnt really understand the music or what they were saying. I did love the energy and atmosphere. No fighting or gun busting or bottle splashing. So i decided to give it a chance, and im glad i did. I started learning and understanding. The more i did the more i loved it. The good times when i was at a soca fete or concert with the likes of allison hinds, machel montano, destra garcia, bunji garlin and whoever else came to brooklyn. It was great cause you had the powder posse the water posse ( which consisited of people who throw there water in the air instead of drinking it) the different groups. The crowd movers you know the groups that would open up the middle of a crowded dance floor. Those times were fun you could jump and wave and act a fool without someone being mad cause u pushed bumped or stepped on there shoes. That was a time if you knocked someone down you pick em up and laugh it off. That went for the women as well. I mean it was probably a women who pushed you to the floor. (that aint ever happen to me). You walk out of the party tired but happy. I remember when i went to a fete and the people who wanted to chill were on the wall or in the back. Thats where they should stay. The present day. Today when i go to soca fete people stand around and look at each other like there in a museum. People dont come to party they come to style and profile. For what reason i dont know. They dont come to dance or sweat. I actually asked a women y did u come here tonite. Oh just to chill. I say if you want to chill stayin your house and open a bottle of wine and cut on the miles davis (that's a jazz musician). Or at least if you have to go out go to a bar or lounge not to a party, club, fete or concert. I actually had aperson tell me i didnt come to a wete fete to get wet. How crazy is that? Conclusion i know this was a long introduction to a new thread. I thought it was neccessary. So you know y i started this new thread. Last but not least i want everyone reading this to comment on what i wrote and leave there thoughts on what they think of the soca scene in brooklyn. See ya!!!! Mkdfootball __________________ MKDFOOTBALL

03-10-2009, 10:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
mkdfootball THE AMERICAN SOCA LOVER. Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: BROOKLYN Posts: 56 Credits: 1,302	Wow WHAT I RESPONSE I HAVE GOTTEN SO FAR. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAYING RUCKUS ABOUT THE PRICING. I I BELIEVE IF YOU GOT THE LINE UP OF SOCA ARTISTS WITH THERE BAND THE PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP. CAUSE CHECK TIS AT A TYPICAL S.O.D PEOPLE PAY 15-20 DOLLARS FOR AN ADVANCE TICKET AND UP TO 40-50 DOLLARS AT THE DOOR. AND THATS WITH NO ARTISTS. IF U STARTED AT 30 FOR EARLY TICKETS THEN WENT TO 40. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A PROFIT. CAUSE YOU KNOW PEOPLE SHOWING UP THE DAY OF TRYING TO WALK IN AND THEY GOING TO PAY THAT 60 DOLLAR PRICE CAUSE THEY CAME THERE TO SEE A SHOW. IN MY OPINION THEY WILL BE EXPECTING TO PAY THAT MUCH. THE ONLY HURDLE I REALLY SEE IS THE VENUE? THE PROBLEM MOST OF THE TIME IS NOT HAVING ARTIST. ITS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO COME OUT DONT COME TO PARTY. THEY COME TO PROFILE LIKE I SAY TAKE PICTURES AND BE THE KINGS AND QUEENS OF 7DAYS 7NIGHTS, TALK OF NY, ISLAND MIX GALLERY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS WE DONT REALLY HAVE THE VENUES RIGHT NOW FOR A BIG BAND CONCERT. THATS NO EXCUSE FOR NOT PARTYING! __________________ MKDFOOTBALL

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03-10-2009, 09:39 AM	#3 (permalink)
Sincredible Real Recognize Me Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 323 Credits: 8,590	I remember Ghost Crew with their big Ghostbusters flag. If they were around, plus me and my crew, that party is going to get wild. Ark, KC Hideaway, old B.E.C., Soca Arena before it was renamed, that club by Canarsie, Temptations prime, Caribbean City prime etc. This is when Soca was at it's finest. I'm still remembering when J'ouvert was pure madness, and you had to excape the powder and oil crew, or that's the end of your outfit. After batty man Guilliani kept making all kinds of rules, that by itself was never the same. Anyway besides this trip to memory lane, Soca will never die in BK or in the tri-state period. S.O.D. sell off as always, props to TriniKings dem. Thusty Troupe for being the new Ghost crew and getting that rep as a wild soca crew, props to dem. Machel selling out the MSG, props to winer boy. Wet Fete, no matter what Luda says, will always sell off. Labor Day weekend, will ALWAYS SELL OFF. Shout out to Sesame Flyers, Rango, Chocolate City, etc. Shout out to me, because as long as I'm alive, Soca will never die!!!

03-10-2009, 11:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
bklynpsycho Soca Psycho Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 224 Credits: 4,737	True to all those that commented before me I highly agree with all of you. IMO I feel Brooklyn been going through some changes for a while now. The Soca seen I don't feel is dead but on life support and it needs some changes to jolt it back to life. The lost of the Ark and the in consistence of KC Hideaway (Hard to tell if its closed one time but open another). really lick Soca in BK in a negative way. I'm glade a place like the Base/Soca Arena is still open but people get tired of going to the Base. I remember going to the....hold on let me say this correctly..."The Elite Ark" when Soca was crazy and in its finest. As someone said in another thread one fete could produce 5 DJs, 7-8 artists, along with maybe 3-4 band all in one night. Its hard to find a line up like that in BK anymore and if you are lucky Laborday weekend sometimes produce that type of line up. You know by this time there would have been 3-4 fete either already passed or up coming But you hardly hear anything. Another thing I feel that is changing Brooklyn is Manhattan. Nothing wrong with Soca in Manhattan. Nothing wrong with Manhattan but where else did you hear soca being played...Maybe queens if you are lucky. But Manhattan took a partition of the Brooklyn crowd and turned it upside down. Producing a crowd that would rather worry about having their dresses or look is still in tacked by the end of the night than sweating it out and look bad there after. A growing stush crowd came out of this and they migrate back and forth with the same attitude acting as if a Brooklyn soca fetes has the same attitude as a Manhattan Soca "Party"...I don't call Manhattan soca parties fetes. Moreover, changes that came when Guilliani was control of New York killed how long we used to party in these fete. In the past a fete could go as far as 6 am or longer. But all that changed and now you have Cops lurking around waiting for Sh*t to go down just to shut down the party early. On Laborday I don't even wanna touch that topic...we all ready established that in a thread a few months ago. To many ignorant asses come spoiling things because of stupid agendas. I hope the Soca scene isn't dead or dying I've always questioning it as a whole for the past 2 years. But I really hope that BK hasn't lost its swagger as being one of those Meccas or capitals of Soca outside the Caribbean.

03-10-2009, 03:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
4mydawgz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Brooklyn... Stand Up! Posts: 579 Credits: 2,287	it's not that the promoters aren't doing their job. it's a combination of the artists coming with lackluster songs and no available venues. the last big soca event that i really enjoyed in brooklyn was caribbean woodstock. big bands and big songs. i think it was xtatik, krosfyah, traffik, and atlantik. that party i was dying for it to be over. no party has rocked like that since. with the police so quick to shut everything down... fetes reach'n morning are a thing of the past.

03-10-2009, 03:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
RUCKUS Registered User Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: BROOKLYN Posts: 1,884 Credits: 4,628	I don't think that it's a problem with the promoters and./or venue. The artists are the ones who are killing the Soca Scene in NYC. Let me give you a little insight to the cost of these events looking at last years prices: Destra & Atlantik: 15,000.00 Travel for 13 people x 650.00 per ticket: 8,500.00 Hotel - usually about 8 rooms X $150.00 x 3 days: 2,250.00 Per Dieum 40 x 13 x 3 days" 1,560.00 Venue Cost with Bar: 7,000.00 Security: 2,500.00 Radio/Internet/Street Team Promotion: 2,000.00 P/A System: 2,500.00 Totaling over 41,000.00 Now this is the cost of 1 band. In order to break even you need about 1,400 people to pay an average price of $30.00, and people complain about that price. Multiply the band fee, airline tickets, per dieum and hotel x 4 and the budget becomes way out of hand. I'm not taking away anything from the artist but the performance fees have to come down significantly in order for the soca scene in NY to come back to the way it was back in the days.

03-11-2009, 11:46 AM	#14 (permalink)
4mydawgz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Brooklyn... Stand Up! Posts: 579 Credits: 2,287	$40 to see three big bands does not seem like too much for me. I would pay $60 to see Machel, Krosfyah and Red Hot Flames, but the venue gotta be correct.

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