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    Children in Congo forced into exorcisms - USATODAY.com

    By Dan Harris, Special for USA TODAY
    Isaac Mananga, 10, and his half sister Chanel, 7, knelt on the dirt floor of the church, staring up at the pastor through scared, confused eyes.
    Standing before a wooden cross, Pastor Moise Tshombe, in a robe adorned with pictures of Jesus, went into a trance. Claiming to be speaking through the Holy Spirit, he declared, "These children are witches."

    Moments later, with Isaac and Chanel by her side, the children's grandmother, Marie Nzenze, said she believed the charges. "God has spoken through the mouth of the prophet," she said. "God has not lied."

    According to a United Nations report issued this year, a growing number of children in the Democratic Republic of Congo are being accused of witchcraft and subjected to violent exorcisms by religious leaders, in which they are often beaten, burned, starved and even murdered. The relatively new phenomenon has become one of the main causes in Central Africa for humanitarian groups, which are organizing programs to protect children's rights and educate pastors on the dangers of accusing children.

    Ties to poverty

    Liana Bianchi, the administrative director for the humanitarian group Africare, says the trend is partly the result of decades of war and economic decline in the Congo. The non-profit group Save the Children estimates that 70% of the roughly 15,000 street children in Kinshasa, the capital, were kicked out of their homes after being accused of witchcraft.

    "In my opinion," Bianchi said, "poverty is really at the root of child abandonment. Accusations of witchcraft have become socially acceptable reasons for why a family turns a child out on the street."

    The practice, which has also been reported in Nigeria and Angola, can be lucrative for the priests who perform them.

    Pastor Tshombe charged Julie Moseka $50 to exorcise her emaciated daughter, Noella, 8. The average annual salary in Congo is $100.

    During the ceremony, Pastor Tshombe and three of his aides held Noella's spindly limbs down and poured hot candle wax on her belly while she screamed and cried. Then the pastor bit down hard and pulled the skin on her stomach, pretending to pull demonic flesh out of her.

    In an interview afterward, Tshombe acknowledged the ritual can be painful, but he says it's necessary because otherwise the children would not be "cured."

    When asked whether he thinks Jesus would approve of what he's doing, Tshombe said, "Why wouldn't he be happy? I'm just using the gifts given to me by the Holy Spirit."

    Noella's mother, agreed. "It was imperative that it happen this way," she said, "because the child is accused of witchcraft."

    The pastors who conduct such rituals are non-denominational, and most have no theological training, says Matondo Kasese of the humanitarian group Reejer. According to Arnold Mushiete, a social worker with a small Catholic organization called Our House, Congo's atmosphere of religious fervor, minimal education and rampant poverty makes for fertile territory for pastors who convince desperate parents that their children are the cause of their financial, medical and romantic problems.

    "Formerly in our culture," Mushiete said, "the child was a precious being. Now, because of the church, children have become harmful beings."

    Thrown into streets

    Mushiete works with street children who have been accused of witchcraft. He says homeless children are frequently raped and beaten, even by police. Drug use is rampant. Girls often resort to prostitution, leaving their own babies to sleep on the side of the road at night while they sell themselves.

    The Congolese legislature recently passed a law that makes it illegal to accuse children of witchcraft, but many activists, including Bianchi, say the law is not enforced.

    Even the head of a special government commission to protect children accused of witchcraft said he thinks it is possible for children to be "sorcerers."

    "You sometimes see a very little child with big eyes, black eyes, a distended stomach," said Theodore Luleka Mwanalwamba. "These are the physical aspects."

    When asked how someone with his beliefs could protect children accused of witchcraft, he said the state has "the duty to save all the people who are in dangerous situations." He said cracking down on abusive pastors is difficult because "important people" are sometimes members of their churches.

    Mushiete, the social worker, said he does not get discouraged. "The big work we want to do," he said, "is to sensitize the pastors, so they give another image of Jesus — not a Jesus who tortures children."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swerve View Post
    Children in Congo forced into exorcisms - USATODAY.com


    "God has spoken through the mouth of the prophet," she said. "God has not lied."

    ."
    Sounds like a couple of Imixers...

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    do u know what religion dey were?

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    These are not religious fanatics, these are idiotic fanatical morons who pervert religion to justify their criminal ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bouyon king View Post
    do u know what religion dey were?
    I'm guessing Christians..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soca Taliban View Post
    These are not religious fanatics, these are idiotic fanatical morons who pervert religion to justify their criminal ways.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soca Taliban View Post
    These are not religious fanatics, these are idiotic fanatical morons who pervert religion to justify their criminal ways.
    I'm just playing devils advocate here so don't shoot me.

    but have you ever thought.... that these clowns that claims god and the holy spirit speaks to them are no different from the individuals that wrote the passages in the bible? Im juss saying.. didn't god speak to them too?

    We often look at those people as crazies today but hey..they were "allegedly" inspired just like the ones who wrote the book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soca Taliban View Post
    These are not religious fanatics, these are idiotic fanatical morons who pervert religion to justify their criminal ways.
    Get out my head.
    "Create the highest, grandest vision possible for your life, because you become what you believe." - Oprah Winfrey

    "If you keep believing in yourself and seek enthusiasm inside your soul, things will get simpler, more spontaneous." ~Paulo Coelho

    "I find your lack of faith disturbing" - Darth Vader

    Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit
    the floor each morning the devil says:
    "Oh Crap, She's up!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swerve View Post
    I'm just playing devils advocate here so don't shoot me.

    but have you ever thought.... that these clowns that claims god and the holy spirit speaks to them are no different from the individuals that wrote the passages in the bible? Im juss saying.. didn't god speak to them too?

    We often look at those people as crazies today but hey..they were "allegedly" inspired just like the ones who wrote the book?
    Doesnt God, Divine Guidance, Universe, Allah, Buddah "speak" to us when we pray and meditate? Are reasonably thinking people who are involved in church are the same as these fanatics who PERVERT religious ideals for justification in their criminal ways?
    "Create the highest, grandest vision possible for your life, because you become what you believe." - Oprah Winfrey

    "If you keep believing in yourself and seek enthusiasm inside your soul, things will get simpler, more spontaneous." ~Paulo Coelho

    "I find your lack of faith disturbing" - Darth Vader

    Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit
    the floor each morning the devil says:
    "Oh Crap, She's up!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swerve View Post
    I'm just playing devils advocate here so don't shoot me.

    but have you ever thought.... that these clowns that claims god and the holy spirit speaks to them are no different from the individuals that wrote the passages in the bible? Im juss saying.. didn't god speak to them too?

    We often look at those people as crazies today but hey..they were "allegedly" inspired just like the ones who wrote the book?
    Show me anywhere in d Bible where God commanded anyone tuh beat, shake up, kill, or perform some shupid ritual to cast out some demon. Last time I check all Jesus or He pardnas did was buff up d demon, command it to leave and d ting went galavanting outa d people like Usain Bolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandy 2.0 View Post
    Doesnt God, Divine Guidance, Universe, Allah, Buddah "speak" to us when we pray and meditate? Are reasonably thinking people who are involved in church are the same as these fanatics who PERVERT religious ideals for justification in their criminal ways?
    +1.....the Bible says, "come let us REASON together..." Sorry but Christianity as Jesus teached it is a practical, thinking, religion, not some mindless sheeple thing as some make it out to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soca Taliban View Post
    +1.....the Bible says, "come let us REASON together..." Sorry but Christianity as Jesus teached it is a practical, thinking, religion, not some mindless sheeple thing as some make it out to be.
    *high fives SocaTali*
    "Create the highest, grandest vision possible for your life, because you become what you believe." - Oprah Winfrey

    "If you keep believing in yourself and seek enthusiasm inside your soul, things will get simpler, more spontaneous." ~Paulo Coelho

    "I find your lack of faith disturbing" - Darth Vader

    Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit
    the floor each morning the devil says:
    "Oh Crap, She's up!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandy 2.0 View Post
    *high fives SocaTali*
    *throws chicken foot and goat's blood on Shandy to cast that democratic demon out of her*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soca Taliban View Post
    *throws chicken foot and goat's blood on Shandy to cast that democratic demon out of her*
    WTF??? before you make souse out of that chicken foot you want to throw it on people?
    "Create the highest, grandest vision possible for your life, because you become what you believe." - Oprah Winfrey

    "If you keep believing in yourself and seek enthusiasm inside your soul, things will get simpler, more spontaneous." ~Paulo Coelho

    "I find your lack of faith disturbing" - Darth Vader

    Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit
    the floor each morning the devil says:
    "Oh Crap, She's up!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandy 2.0 View Post
    WTF??? before you make souse out of that chicken foot you want to throw it on people?
    Yuh right yuh right, lehwe team up and heal d pagans.

    In the name of BUHDA, I COMMAND that Swerve be healed of his demons!!

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