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That Hip Hop was given to them by Caribbean people?? Blacks are quick to point out that rock has Black roots and complain that these contributions are never acknowledged, but mention the fact that the entire Chatter/Selector/Sampling thing was copied from Caribbeans and they are QUICK to deny.

What are you talking about?!?...

Most black american hiphop heads give Kool Herc all the credit for inventing hiphop.

Hiphop originated in the 70's where it was ALSO heavily influenced by the funk and disco era's.


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Most Black Americans who listen to Hip Hop dont even know much about Herc except his name, and many more will completely deny the West Indian source.

So if dais de case, why do so many Caribbean people hate on Hip Hop. Is it that they too are ignorant to the so called "fact".

I would be de first, cuz I know of no such ting.

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DJ Kool Herc (born Clive Campbell on April 16, 1955 in Kingston, Jamaica), is a musician and producer who is generally credited as the pioneer of hip hop during the 1970s. He was the originator of break-beat DJing, where the breaks of funk songs—being the most danceable part, often featuring percussion—were isolated and repeated for the purpose of all-night dance parties (AMG [2]). Later DJs such as Grandmaster Flash refined and developed the use of breakbeats, including cutting.

While growing up in Kingston he saw and heard the sound systems firsthand at neighborhood parties called dancehalls (Chang 2005). He moved to the Bronx, New York at the age of 12 and began to throw free neighborhood parties.

He is also well known for his massive, high-quality, high-volume sound system, against which even superior DJs could not compete (Toop, 1991). Herc first used reggae records and was toasting to the music like Jamaican artists U-Roy and I-Roy. But he started using funk records due to popular demand.

Kool Herc and his MC crew The Herculords "started a movement which recycled the creativity of black American jive jocks back into the USA" (Toop 39). The relationship between hip hop and reggae became more important again with reggae artists and rappers collaborating with each other, from Yellowman and Afrika Bambaataa to KRS-One and Shabba Ranks. Hip hop and reggae still influence each other in both directions.

During the later part of the decade, Herc was stabbed at one of his own parties, sidelining him during most of the 1980s as hip hop spread throughout the country (AMG). During the 1990s, he made several appearances, gave interviews, and appeared on The Godfathers of Threat by Terminator X (a DJ with Public Enemy). He still DJs around the world.

In an 1989 interview with Davey D, Herc said, "Hip Hop, the whole chemistry of that came from Jamaica".In the interview, Herc talked about the first modern day rappers and the lyrics they had. He said "Well the rhyming came about..because I liked playing lyrics that were saying something. I figured people would pick it up by me playing those records, but at the same time I would say something myself with a meaningful message to it."

Most people do not know the origin of most types of music genre's,.. Hiphop is no exception.

Most likely you have never heard anyone boast the fact that Black Americans gave Caribbeans, namely Jamaicans, reggae. Which is a proven fact!


What's the big deal.

Really?

Expound on this one.

EVIDENCE??

By the way, we're GIVING U UP until FRIDAY to come up with the EVIDENCE.

As much as toasting influenced the creation of hiphop in the 70's, R&B influenced the creation of Ska/Reggae in the 50's/60's. You can google this.



This thread has nothing to do with Kevin Little's d*ck size.

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In OTHER WORDS, you have no EVIDENCE of WORTH to BACKUP what you CLAIM is a FACT.

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Oh really? This should be interesting. Please present your evidence. As far as I know, reggae grew out of a fusion of underground popular music in the ghettoes of Jamaica. Back in the 50s in addition to Trinidadian calypso, popular musical innovations within Jamaica itself among the working class gained popularity, particularly ska, which gave way to rock steady and then the more overtly protest-style reggae. In an interview, Bob Marley also credits a Trinidadian panman called Merlin Taitt who now lives in Canada with the distinctive rythmic beat of reggae. For further information one can consult popular Trinidadian comedian and social historian/thinker Dennis "Sprangalang" Hall

There is also a Trinidadian connection in the origins of hip-hop as well. While Herc, I-Roy and U-Roy were experimenting with the toasting style, the late Lancelot Layne Kebu was developing his own innovations with "rapping" social poetry back in the late 60s. This today is the style of music known as "Rhapso"

I'm not denying that there is an African-American influence in reggae or even calypso and soca; there were very vibrant cross-cultural links as West Indian immigrants moved to the US and vice versa. But to say "origin" is stretching it to say the least.

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What he said.

When James Brown died recently you guys should've read all the mythology about him creating rap, hip hop, disco and everything else under the sun. His influence was massive, but hip hop is an Americanization of JA's dub music and disco came out of the Afro Latin communities in NYC. Brown had a bigger influence on Fela's afrobeat than hip hop. His music was sampled heavily partly because Americans didn't take to the reggae that Kool Herc played at first.
Jamaican singers from the 1960's always rave and give credit to American R&B singers. However, Cuban music and calypso/mento played a part in the creation of reggae too. I think that the rastas 'saved" Jamaican popular music by bringing in their neo African riddims thus turning it away from rock steady's overt R&b influence. It's a good thing since American R&B is closer to European music riddem wise. American influence tends to de-emphasize complex rhythms(except for jazz) while Caribbean influence on American music brings it to the forward. These borrowings of musical ideas go way back. Caribbean influence in New Orleans played a part in the formation of jazz and Afro Cuban music from the 1930's thru '50's led to bebop and the creation of rock and roll(The Bo Diddley beat). The go go music of Washington DC's Afro-American community took Afrocuban percussion and fused it with jazz and funk. It goes back and forth, though Caribbean musicians do not have mega corporations pushing their recordings. This I think, is the major reason why Caribbean(especially English speaking) music has declined. There's too much emphasis on crossing over and sounding American. The dynamic rhythms are being lost. We've silenced our own ancestral drums.

The History of Ska Music by Ian Vanhoof
Although not many ska loving kids know it today, the music scene of the 1950s was Rockin. American pop was beginning to influence bands all around the world; America had many very powerful radio stations that carried the music over the waves of the caribbean; to the tiny island roughly 500 miles off the coast of Miami,
Jamaica.

Many things were coming together at that time in Jamaica. Money was changing hands. A national indigenous music was on the verge of disappearing, and people were being influenced by what they heard on the radio. They all influenced the way that ska music sounds today. The big question now is where did all this start?

First of all in the 1920's and 30's the local band scene in Jamaica was Mento. Mento was mostly a rural music because most of the bands were local bands. Typically a Mento band would play at weddings, local dances, fairs and concerts. They were even employed on a more personal level as bands for house parties. As time passed by, the popularity of Mento was on a steady decline. By the late 1950's Mento started the slow transition into Ska music. The so called "society" bands were playing only token Mento numbers, but the bands on the road were getting more daring in how they applied their Mento craft.

They called it the Jamaican mobile Disco. The DJs would travel from town to town. Sometimes playing in dancehalls, and sometimes setting up right in the street. The people would flock to these shows hungry for the sound coming out of America. Music from bands such as Fats Domino, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Louie Jordan, and Ray Charles.They would party from Friday night to early Monday morning in the dancehalls thanks to DJs such as Tom the Great Sebastian, V Rocket, and Sir Coxsone's Downbeat.


There was a change happening in America though. Rock-n-Roll grew so popular in America that it almost killed R&B and Jazz which had been the kings so far. The Jamaicans could identify with, and dance to, American Rhythm and Blues and Jazz alike. But they could not deal with the new sounds of Rock-n-Roll. They did not like the dance steps either. It was also becoming harder to find good new rhythm and Jazz records to bring back to Jamaica. .

At the same time the number of practicing Mento musicians declined notably. They could find only a few places to play, but Mento did not die. Due to the international interest in calypso, some record producers decided to give the Mento musicians a chance. They started cutting more and more LP records. Due to the efforts of producers like Ken Kouri, Stanley Motta, and Chin, the birth of the modern Jamaican music industry was given birth.

So Mento went national. The music which had grown unpopular with the local crowd started to grab people that hadn't heard it in their local bar. So now the situation is the middle class is still listening to big band jazz, and the middle to lower class was listening to the new natioal rage Mento. Something was bound to happen.

In a strict musical sense, Ska is a fusion. It combines a distinct Jamaican mento folk rhythm with R&B. Then the drums come in on the second and fourth beats. This is what carries the blues and swing beats of American music. The guitar then emphasizes the up of the second, third and fourth beats. This is what carries the Mento sound mentioned earlier.

Ska was an immediate hit with the Jamaicans. It was after all Jamiaca's first indiginous original music sound. Many names started to pop up in the forfront of this musical wave. Name like Rolond Alphonso with his tenor sax, and Don Drummund and Rico Rodriguez on the trombone; Drumbago and Lloyd Knibbs on drums; Jah Jerry Haynes on guitar; Dizzy Moore and Raymond Harper on trumpet. Lloyd Brevett, Clue J on bass; Aubry Adams on the keyboard. Then there were the singers like Laurel Aiken, Clancy Eccles,Owen Grey, Lascelles Perkins, Higgs and Wilson, and last but not least , Bunny and Skitter.

That was the beginning as I know it. The ska sound eventually evolved into rock steady, but not before great history was made.

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