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    The Social Contract

    In a country, what do you think the government & citizen's responsibility is to the society?

    Do you believe it should be every man for themselves, or do you believe we have a responsibility to contribute back to the society we live in so that other generations are afforded the same opportunities we had?

    If your government collects taxes from you, what are the expectations you have with respect to what they choose to do with that money?

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    I am somewhat of an anarchist, but that doesn't necessarily mean every man for himself.
    It means every person should contribute as much as they are able to.
    In other words the disabled, elderly,etc shouldn't be forgotten....
    I am NOT a communist or a Marxist, but the phrase "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." would be ideal. Although this is a Karl Marx quote, rarely do communist governments adhere to this policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Collie4Nyah View Post
    I am somewhat of an anarchist, but that doesn't necessarily mean every man for himself.
    It means every person should contribute as much as they are able to.
    In other words the disabled, elderly,etc shouldn't be forgotten....
    I am NOT a communist or a Marxist, but the phrase "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." would be ideal. Although this is a Karl Marx quote, rarely do communist governments adhere to this policy.
    People need to separate communist and socialist.

    Communism means that one believes that no matter what you do for a living, or what your education is, everyone should be equal. That means no one should live better than anyone else and there are proportionate pay scales. It means we ll get the same amount of food, everything is equal and there essentially is no class system.

    Socialism means that one believes that the society they live in has given access and opportunity, and as a beneficiary of these opportunities they have the belief that they should contribute to the society/system so their kids, and future generations have access to the same opportunity as they have. It also acknowledges that one cannot be successful on their own as there is an entire system in place that allowed them to reach success ... and they therefore need to honour the social social contract, and responsibility with contributing back to that system. This is not the same as communism because one doesn't think everyone should be equal per se ... they believe one just has the responsibility to contribute back to the system they were elevated in.

    Furthermore in terms of government, if they take your tax money what do you expect of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TweetaFineeta View Post
    People need to separate communist and socialist.

    Furthermore in terms of government, if they take your tax money what do you expect of them?
    Of course they should be separated.
    Which is why I said I would be considered more of an anarchist.
    Since neither system is ideal in my opinion
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    This question is subjective. An answer relies on which school of ideology/philosophy one comes from.



    Personally, I think government should only provide education, infrastructure, protection, and regulation. It shouldn't enforce victimless crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Collie4Nyah View Post
    Of course they should be separated.
    Which is why I said I would be considered more of an anarchist.
    Since neither system is ideal in my opinion
    I posted that people need to separate for the purpose of discussion not in correction of you. I got you, but I am not sure everyone will.

    The healthiest thing would be if everyone lives off the land as is required and so on ... that isn't reality right now. There are nations, there are social structures, and there are governments.

    What do you expect of your government?
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    Ok Elizabeth Warren said it in the most articulate way ...


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    If i am taxed I believe that my money should be used for services that are accessible to all, and for things that help to maintain society- the roads, the bridges, etc.... The government's role is to ensure that the rights of one citizen do not encumber the rights of all citizens.. as they say "man is born free but everywhere he is in chains"... freedom is indeed an illusion per se as you can shout to the heavens that you are "free" but are you really? You can't say certain things or do others or you will be held accountable and put into physical restraints or circumstances.. You are free however to chart the course of your life in some societies, while in others the government has a much tighter rein on how you live your life- eg, in the US you can have a million children if you wish, China, not so much..

    The citizen's role to society, hmm well that one is a little trickier as it also depends on which society.... In communist societies, every body is equal so the government does the job of leveling it all, in socialist societies you can pursue your dreams and the government will make sure that those sectors of the populace that need extra help are given that help... I do believe that you should ensure that the coming generations have access to what previous generations had access to.. whatever those things may be- education, social services, technology etc. I don't think it should every man for himself as invariably some sectors of the society will suffer, a free-for-all will engineer people to commit atrocities to gain things.. never good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TweetaFineeta View Post
    I posted that people need to separate for the purpose of discussion not in correction of you. I got you, but I am not sure everyone will.

    The healthiest thing would be if everyone lives off the land as is required and so on ... that isn't reality right now. There are nations, there are social structures, and there are governments.

    What do you expect of your government?
    What I expect is probably asking too much in most cases.
    I expect whatever TRADITIONAL, INDIGENOUS, "tribal" or other system that existed before that nation's government to be respected, at the very least....
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    Cool

    Fundamentals of a society:

    • Healthcare
    • Education
    • Protection
    • Infrastructure
    • Access to opportunity

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    Quote Originally Posted by TweetaFineeta View Post
    Fundamentals of a society:

    • Healthcare
    • Education
    • Protection
    • Infrastructure
    • Access to opportunity
    Take healthcare out.


    When you mean opportunity, what are you referring to and to what extent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collie4Nyah View Post
    I expect whatever TRADITIONAL, INDIGENOUS, "tribal" or other system that existed before that nation's government to be respected, at the very least....
    As it pertains to the aboriginal population of colonial nations:

    Yes, that would be ideal, however the public interest in that is very complacent. No one actually cares about the rights of the indigenous people.... if you notice it is never on the agenda of any politician.... and it is never a voting criteria that affects who the Presidents, and Prime Ministers of countries become. It's annoying to me... but basically the indigenous population in most countries lives the worst, and the government gets away with ignoring them because of treaty that says they govern themselves.

    These are often communities in crisis, with no access and no one actually gives a shit, which is concerning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by optimizm View Post
    Take healthcare out.


    When you mean opportunity, what are you referring to and to what extent?
    Why take Health care out?
    Not necessarily disagreeing with you.
    It is my belief that if ppl are properly educated on the subject of health and well being, and more importantly preventive medicine, most health care isn't needed, with the exception of emergency care
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    i however do think that measures should be put in place to avoid abuse of the system, and this is where i may be divergent in how stringent those measures are... in my opinion people who have multiple children while in the system on help should be penalized in some way.. for eg, if you have children and go on welfare then i think that you should get a mandatory depo provera shot in exchange for your benefits.. if you have more children while on it, then you have to supplement your benefits by maintaining a job as well... if you go beyond a certain number of children - 4/5 and remain on welfare then you should be sterilized. THe system should help you to take care of yourself and your children and then move on to helping somebody else.. if you just stay on it and keep getting pregnant then you are making no effort to help yourself... so sterilize you, help you get set up with a job and learn to take care of yourself.. then move on to the next person... same as i believe a man brought to court for support of more than 3 children should be sterilized as well.. fck all you want but the system will not be repairing your careless mistakes.
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