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    SOCA COOL...... BUT

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    Last week’s kidnapping of radio personality Paul Richards has once more opened up debate on the access soca has to the national airwaves. Supporters of the music have long argued that soca is treated like an orphan child in the country of its birth. The youths are going to hip hop, rap, dancehall, everything else it seems.
    Even when they are singing what they call soca or calypso, the influence of foreign music is un-mistakeable. The Mix took to the streets to find out from you how soca factors into your musical preference.



    http://www.thevoxmagazine.com/vox_archives/2001-12-02/Mrichards.jpg http://www.thevoxmagazine.com/vox_archives/2001-12-02/Miwer.jpg
    Paul Richards... kidnapped over soca airplay? Iwer George... big with the youths



    Here is what People had to say...

    Damian, 21 (Morvant): Soca cool, but if I had a choice I wouldn’t listen to it. I prefer dancehall, reggae and some slows.

    Savitri, 20 (Penal): I love all types of music and I own cds from soca, rapso, alternative, dancehall, R&B and hip-hop musicians. If I had to pick one, I would pick alternative. Nothing wrong with soca, but there is only so much that they can say. If they get too serious, people wouldn’t take them seriously.

    Mario, 23 (Santa Cruz): I only listen to soca during Carnival. I would quicker buy a cd from Jay Z or Beenie Man than I would one from Bunji or Iwer. I don’t have any real reason why, that is just how it is.

    Khadine, 21 (Petit Valley): Music is music and none of it is pure. Bunji say he singing soca, but there is a strong dancehall presence in his music. I like soca but I prefer other stuff.

    Surindra, 22 (Chaguanas): I am a big fan of rock, alternative and hip-hop. This may make me sound unpatriotic, but soca cool for Carnival alone. In other musical arenas, they explore things like life, love and death, soca is only about jumping up and down and getting on bad. I can’t take that all the time.

    Vanessa, 19 (Carenage): When I get older I want to be on stage singing soca with people like Iwer and Machel. Everybody is free to listen and sing what they like, but I am giving my culture a chance; if I don’t love and appreciate my music, how can I expect other countries to?

    After hearing what you had to say we decided to find a young artist who is successful at what he does. We found Nigel who asserts that he “will never sing soca”. This is his take on the music situation...

    Nigel is 22 and he sings hip-hop with Spotrushaz, one of the biggest rap acts to come out of T&T. Over the years he has received a lot of lectures about his choice of music, but he has never given up on his love.
    “I am not a winerboy...I didn’t grow up going Carnival fetes, I grow up on a hill in St Ann’s,” he explained. “I don’t relate to soca like that, over the years I have grown to appreciate it as a form of music, but I won’t start my day with it or bang it in my car.”

    Nigel grew up listening to the radio with his aunt, who listened to rock and slows. He watched Video Soul where he saw videos for pop and R&B music.
    In school he “listened to rock music with white boys... that music was me...rebellious”. After he left school he claims “music called me and I answered”. He readily admits that rap and hip-hop have a negative side that focuses on drugs, sex, guns and violence, but he explained “that is not the only side, there is also commercial music that talks about life and love”. He further expalins that early rap had a purpose, “back in the day rap had a part to play in the black freedom movements...what soca do or change?”

    Nigel and his peers have no plans of singing soca and they will stick to hip-hop until the end. “I like the fact that I can express myself about so many things in a verse...soca is wine-wine-chook-chook...that just don’t appeal to me,” he lamented “besides plenty people who singing soca doing so because they try other stuff and the powers that be didn’t let them break through.”

    He ended by giving me something to think about...” Music is universal and just like we want people to listen our music, they want us to listen to theirs. They already singing our music, so what is the big deal if we sing theirs?”

    My question is: once it is sung and produced in and by a Trini, doesn’t it qualify as local music? As the Carnival season approaches, we will explore this and other issues relating to local music.









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    RE: SOCA COOL...... BUT

    THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH TRINIDADIANS, WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO SUPPORT OUR CULTURE. WE SUPPORT EVERYONE ELSE BUT OUR OWN. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH LIKING OTHER MUSIC BUT WHEN THERE IS A NEAGTIVE RESPONSE ABOUT OUR MUSIC, THEN THERE IS DEFINITELY A PROBLEM. THIS IS JUST MY STUPID OPINION.

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    RE: SOCA COOL...... BUT

    True, it hard to listen to soca and not look forward to a Carnival...we lucky here in the states, we have Carnival all over between May til October so it easy for we to listen to soca, but if we didn't have carnival it would be hard.

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    RE: SOCA COOL...... BUT

    [updated:LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-01 AT 11:46 AM (EST)]I never find it hard to listen to soca. Although it helps to build the momentum for Carnival, that is not why I listen.

    I find that soca music tends to uplift my spirits no matter what my mood.

    As for the viewpoint of the young people of Trinidad and Tobago that was expressed in the article, all I can say is what a shame!!!

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    RE: SOCA COOL...... BUT

    I think that it would be a good idea for the views of West-Indians outside of the Caribbean to be voiced in the Vox. We need to show them that unlike a decade ago, there isn't a lack of the music and that we can hear soca whenever we want and that whenever we do hear it, we love and appreciate it. Many West-Indians will say that the reason people not living in the West Indies love soca so much is because they don't get to hear it that much, well fortunately that has changed. If I had the time, I could contradict every statement made by the youths in the article. They make no sense and it's scary to think what a lack of culture these kids have. x(

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    RE: SOCA COOL...... BUT

    This is soooo sad! I don't know, but this makes me feel so bad for sweet T&T. When you read things like that it makes you wonder what lies in the future of our culture? Does our culture have a future in its homeland? Why is it that everybody else seems to take more pride in their own culture then Trinis (excluding Trinis living abroad ofcourse). If a Jamaican newspaper was to conduct same survey on the views of Jamaican youths and Dancehall music, what you think the outcome would be? WHat about if they did the same thing in America? I bet Jamaicans would overwhelmingly choose reggae, and Americans would overwhelmingly choose Hip Hop or R&B. Why is it so hard for Trinidadians to support their own? I'm sorry, but this really bothers me people, it's embarrassing, and they see nothing wrong with this!!! It's much worse then I believed it to be...

    Dissappointed SOCABOY

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    THANKS IIAND AND BROWNSKIN FOR THE SUPPORT, IT'S HARD FOR SOME PEOPLE TO SHOW DEDICATION FOR THEIR CULTURE. I GUESS SOME PEOPLE NEED TO GO BACK TO THEIR ROOTS. IT'S HARD TO APPRECIATE SOMETHING WHEN YUH HAVE IT ( CULTURE THAT IS RICH AND UNIQUE). MAYBE IF IT WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM OUR FOREFATHERS WHEN THEY WERE USING THIS FORM OF MUSIC AS AN EXPRESSION OF THEIR PAIN AND SUFFERING (BACK IN DE DAYS), WE MAY NOT HAVE HAD THE JOY OF LISTENING TO SOCA TODAY. I FIND SOCA TO BE UPLIFTING, I PLAY IT ALL YEAR ROUND ESPECIALLY, IN THE WINTER WHEN IT LOOKS DEPRESSING OUTSIDE. ANYWAY, EVERYONE DON'T HAVE THE SAME LOVE OR OPINION ABOUT SOCA. AND, I CAN'T BEAT THEM TO A FRAZZLE TO LOVE IT OR AGREE WITH ME. ALL I COULD SAY IS, WITH NO SUPPORT FROM OUR PEOPLE, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROMOTE THE YOUGLINS COMMING UP IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY (SOCA). CUZ IF WE OWN PEOPLE IN TRINI EH BUYING IT, AH GUESS THEY JUST CONTRIBUTING TO THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE TOO(NO SOLD CD'S = ZERO $= ZERO JOBS AND AND HONEST LIVING FOLLOWED BY UNEMPLOYMENT). I GUESS THE ARTISTE BACK HOME HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF SURVIVNG FROM FOREIGN BASED TRINIS.

    MAD MAFIA

    PS. YES SOME SOCA NEED SOME SUBSTANCE BUT DOH GIVE UP ON WE CULTURE NAH.

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    RE: SOCA COOL...... BUT

    AH SECON DAT SOCABABY.

    MAD MAFIA

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    RE: SOCA COOL...... BUT

    AMEN
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    OK,

    1 - i grew in jamaica, so i am and always be a huge reggae fan, but i am probably just as big a soca person, i am bumping soca or calypso all the time, all year round. i even play parang in the summer, but that's just 'cause i'm a little off :-)

    2 - soca has a lot of message, maybe even as much as other musics, but people have to choose to listen to it - listen to shadow, krosfyah, denyse plummer (always a strong patriot),
    david rudder (the bob marley of kaiso), etc.

    3 - unfortunately most of the calypsonians (as opposed to
    soca singers) who, although they sing mostly message music,
    don't reach out stylisticly to young audiences. chalkdust and
    watchman and all those guys need to put their calypsos to
    a youthful beat.

    4 - i can't speak for the local market in T&T but soca could really explode in the US - salsa and latin music are HUGE here among
    non-Spanish speaking audiences (just look at Ricky Martin) and soca, which has stylistic similarities, is already in English and I personally think is even more fun than salsa, et.al., because
    the dancing is not as complicated. it takes a lot of marketing to pull this off though, and not just short term efforts - does Tidco or any other official group in T&T spend a lot of money promoting soca like JAMPRO does in JA? Do they go to MIDEM, the WMC, etc?

    just some thoughts

    c


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    RE: SOCA COOL...... BUT

    Engineroom, aside from the valid argument of marketing, the whole things really comes down to Trinidadians have very little sense of national pride.
    The music of Jamaica could never have reached the level it has in North America, parts of Asia and Europe if Jamaicans never vigorously pushed and promoted their music for which they still have immense pride.
    As for the efforts of TIDCO and other Gov't sponsored agencies, what we have overlooked is that successive administrations have appointed officials who before their tenure in public life showed very little interest in promoting music and the arts. This if course is a holdover from the colonial period when things local were held inferior to foreign models.
    Further, I am in strong disagreement with the view that calypso and soca are seasonal music to be played only during the Carnival period. It is only popular “tradition” that confines them to that period [parang too]. The versatility of these musical traditions make them well suited for any time and occasion. If more people studied the kaisos of the ‘30’s and 40’s, especially those that the British banned, they could better appreciate the power and versatility of calypso and soca. Whether it was about race relations in the US, Caribbean integration, political misadventures, love, sex, etc, kaiso and soca can cover it with more directness than anything I heard from Bob Dylan or Bob Marley. But these individuals belonged to societies that recognise their immense talent and had mechanism in place to project it.
    Also, while I do think that the older kaisonians should attempt to reach out to the younger artistes and listeners, the youths should be more aware of the roots of their music. Has anyone ever noticed that in the US and England such performers as Chuck D, Lil Kim, Mary J. Blige, Green Day can not only speak about such legends as Billie Holliday, Lena Horne, Bessie Smith, Ray Charles, Led Zepplin, Parliament Funkadaelic, etc, but ae also inflkuenced by their music. I doubt if anyone can find more than a handful of soca artistes who have studied Maestro, Lion, Executor, King Radio, Chieftain Douglas, Chinee Patrick or even know who they are.
    Trinis have to start looking at themselves and start liking what they see

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    yes mi friend, that's good talk.

    engineroom

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    RE: SOCA COOL...... BUT

    I not going to argue about what is real soca, or rapso or,calypso. My concern is how can you be born into something....i feel soca, calypso , rapso..whatever the hell it is..when i hear it..it connecting with my heartbeat!and pulse!! not just my ears! and not just for carnival!.
    SO WHAT if some of the music have no LYRICS?...you feel it in your heart!!
    SO WHAT if calypso too SLOW and old fashioned...IT HAS IT"S PLACE!! SO WHAT if rapso sound like chanting....it's on OUR SOCA RHYTHMNS!!!

    HOW COULD YOU NOT LOVE SOMETHING THAT IS AS MUCH A PART OF YOU, AS NATURAL TO YOU AS WAKING UP AND BREATHING? as the rhytmn you heartbeat making with your feet when you walk?..THAT RHYTMN IS SOCA...CALYPSO... RAPSO...is your breathing.

    So dont expect anybody else to love it ...if people who born to it denying it like they own breath. It will go NOWHERE...and people like me who claim it like blood...will have to sit and watch degenerate into "WORLD MUSIC" and genius like Shadow, and Ras Shorty, and KItch, and Treason and Bunji, and Ella Andell ( Yes ...old and new) would be a big fat ZERO!
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    RE: SOCA COOL...... BUT

    You ask how couldone NOT love kaiso and soca. Please understand that regardless of the fact that it is "in yuh blood", in Trinidad more than in many other countries, we have never properly attempted to reverse the inferiority complex imposed by centuries of eurocentric socialisation. As a result it is almost automatic for many Trinis turn away from what they should otherwise be proud of. I have seen it time and again where people from other countries have more respect, interest [and information] for and about Trinidad's history and cultural traditions than Trinis. One of the best lectures I have ever been to on pre-Independence Carnival in T&T was given by a British professor! There are foreigners who have more extensive calypso archives in their private record collection than most Trinis

    Even many of the artistes who do use the art forms are so wrapped up in the "make-money" syndrome that they have little pride in soca and kaiso themselves and are only too willing to water it down till it becomes unrecognisable to us. A lot of this has to do with that obscenity called our educational system. Look at what carnival costumes have come to: Las Vegas showgirls! No originality

    If we really like de ting dat in we veins, we must do a lot more to preserve it.


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