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    Angry Republicans shutdown government

    Irresponsible
    Can their hatred of one man be so deep?

    This is a sad day for democracy.
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    failed state?

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    I find it interesting that a group of 50 individuals can basically hijack the US government and bring it to its knees.
    These Tea Party representatives have no other intention but to show that government doesn't work by destroying it from within.
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    you mean they shut down the policy making part.. not the day to day runnings, cause gov't is continous with or without them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingram_Gordon View Post
    you mean they shut down the policy making part.. not the day to day runnings, cause gov't is continous with or without them
    No.
    The majority of day to day running will be halted.
    Only "essential" people who provide emergency services or active duty military will be allowed to work.

    In fact the "policy" making will continue as they supposedly try to make a deal. Unfortunately the only deal the Republicans want to make will have to include measures to destroy the Affordable Care Act.
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    Absolutely everything you need to know about how the government shutdown will work
    By Brad Plumer, Published: September 30 at 12:22 pmE-mail the writer
    A government shutdown starting Tuesday, Oct. 1, is now upon us. The House and Senate couldn't agree on a bill to fund the government, and time has run out.

    The photograph is cleverly shot to make it look like the gates of the federal government are literally closing. Neat, eh? (The Washington Post)

    So... it's shutdown time. Let's take a look at how this will work.
    Not all government functions will simply evaporate come Oct. 1 — Social Security checks will still get mailed, and veterans' hospitals will stay open. But many federal agencies will shut their doors and send their employees home, from the Environmental Protection Agency to hundreds of national parks.
    Here's a look at how a shutdown will work, which parts of the government will close, and which parts of the economy might be affected.
    Wait, what? Why is the federal government on the verge of shutting down?

    The fiscal crises will continue until morale improves. House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). (Scott Applewhite/AP)

    Short answer: There are wide swaths of the federal government that need to be funded each year in order to operate. If Congress can't agree on how to fund them, they have to close down. And, right now, Congress can't agree on how to fund them.
    To get a bit more specific: Each year, the House and Senate are supposed to agree on 12 appropriations bills to fund the federal agencies and set spending priorities. Congress has become really bad at passing these bills, so in recent years they've resorted to stopgap budgets to keep the government funded (known as "continuing resolutions"). The last stopgap passed on March 28, 2013, and ends on Sept. 30.
    In theory, Congress could pass another stopgap before Tuesday. But the Democratic-controlled Senate and Republican-controlled House are at odds over what that stopgap should look like. The House passed a funding bill over the weekend that delayed Obamacare for one year and repealed a tax on medical devices. The Senate rejected that measure. They voted a few more times and still no agreement. So... we're getting a shutdown.
    Does a shutdown mean everyone who works for the federal government has to go home?
    Not exactly. The laws and regulations governing shutdowns separate federal workers into "essential" and "non-essential." (Actually, the preferred term nowadays is "excepted" and "non-excepted." This was tweaked in 1995 because "non-essential" seemed a bit hurtful. But we'll keep things simple.)
    The Office of Management and Budget recently ordered managers at all federal agencies to conduct reviews to see which of their employees fall into each of these two categories. If a shutdown hits, the essential workers stick around, albeit without pay. The non-essential workers have to go home after a half-day of preparing to close shop.
    Which parts of government stay open?

    Air traffic control stays open. (Jim Weber/AP)

    There are a whole bunch of key government functions that carry on during a shutdown, including anything related to national security, public safety, or programs written into permanent law (like Social Security). Here's a partial list:
    -- Any employee or office that "provides for the national security, including the conduct of foreign relations essential to the national security or the safety of life and property." That means the U.S. military will keep operating, for one. So will embassies abroad.
    -- Any employee who conducts "essential activities to the extent that they protect life and property." So, for example: Air traffic control stays open. So does all emergency medical care, border patrol, federal prisons, most law enforcement, emergency and disaster assistance, overseeing the banking system, operating the power grid, and guarding federal property.
    -- Agencies have to keep sending out benefits and operating programs that are written into permanent law or get multi-year funding. That means sending out Social Security checks and providing certain types of veterans' benefits. Unemployment benefits and food stamps will also continue for the time being, since their funding has been approved in earlier bills.
    -- All agencies with independent sources of funding remain open, including the U.S. Postal Service and the Federal Reserve.
    -- Members of Congress can stick around, since their pay is written into permanent law. Congressional staffers however, will also get divided into essential and non-essential, with the latter getting furloughed. Many White House employees could also get sent home.
    Do these "essential" employees who keep working get paid?
    The 1.3 million or so "essential" civilian employees who stay on could well see their paychecks delayed during the shutdown, depending on the timing. They should, however, receive retroactive pay if and when Congress decides to fund the government again.
    The 1.4 million active-service military members, meanwhile, will get paid no matter how long the shutdown lasts. That's because the House and Senate specifically passed a bill to guarantee active-duty military pay even when the government is closed. Obama signed it into law Monday night.
    So which parts of government actually shut down?

    Closed! Well, unless Arizona wants to pay to operate it. (Ron Watts / Corbios)

    Everything else, basically. It's a fairly long list, and you can check out in detail which activities the agencies are planning to halt in these contingency plans posted by each agency. Here are a few select examples:
    Health: The National Institutes of Health will stop accepting new patients for clinical research and stop answering hotline calls about medical questions. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will stop its seasonal flu program and have a "significantly reduced capacity to respond to outbreak investigations."
    Housing: The Department of Housing and Urban Development will not be able to provide local housing authorities with additional money for housing vouchers. The nation's 3,300 public housing authorities will also stop receiving payments, although most of these agencies have enough cash on hand to provide rental assistance through the end of October.
    Immigration: The Department of Homeland Security will no longer operate its E-Verify program, which means that businesses will not be able to check on the legal immigration status of prospective employees during the shutdown.
    Law enforcement: Although agencies like the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Agency will continue their operations, the Justice Department will suspend many civil cases for as long as the government is shut down.
    Parks and museums: The National Park Service will close more than 400 national parks and museums, including Yosemite National Park in California, Alcatraz in San Francisco, and the Statue of Liberty in New York. The last time this happened during the 1995-96 shutdown, some 7 million visitors were turned away. (One big exception was the south rim of the Grand Canyon, which stayed open only because Arizona agreed to pick up the tab.)
    Regulatory agencies: The Environmental Protection Agency will close down almost entirely during a shutdown, save for operations around Superfund sites. Many of the Labor Department's regulatory offices will close, including the Wage and Hour Division and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. (The Mine Safety and Health Administration will, however, stay open.)
    Financial regulators. The Commodity Futures Trading Commission, which oversees the vast U.S. derivatives market, will largely shut down. A few financial regulators, however, such as the Securities and Exchange Commission, will remain open.
    (Small parts of) Social Security: The Social Security Administration will retain enough staff to make sure the checks keep going out. But the agency won't have enough employees to do things like help recipients replace their benefit cards or schedule new hearings for disability cases.
    Visas and passports: The State Department says it will keep most passport agencies and consular operations open so long as it has the funds to do so, although some activities might be interrupted. (For instance, "if a passport agency is located in a government building affected by a lapse in appropriations, the facility may become unsupported.")


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingram_Gordon View Post
    you mean they shut down the policy making part.. not the day to day runnings, cause gov't is continous with or without them
    nope ppl will get benefits social security and armed forces will be paid but i believe some of the food allowance things that need to be processed will be halted and couple other things
    for ppl that anticipate getting certain things it can become touchy
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    Since the 80's the government has been shut down six time two by republicans and four by democrats . Now clowns were not born then or too young to remember crying racism ... Oh white republicans doing this because they hate Obama

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon View Post
    Since the 80's the government has been shut down six time two by republicans and four by democrats . Now clowns were not born then or too young to remember crying racism ... Oh white republicans doing this because they hate Obama
    There is a reason it hasn't been done in 17 years.
    No one wins.

    Lets say a Republican takes the White House and the House remains in GOP hands would you be OK with a swath of Democrats saying that they want gun control passed and if it isn't done they will shut the government down!
    Is that how Republicans see democracy?
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    furlough day today. smh. they better not extend this any further

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    so GeorgeFlash you believe it is responsible for the Government to increase the debt limit, even when we have significant underfunded/ unfunded liabilities at the federal and state level?

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    This is what happens when people have knee jerk reactions during mid-term elections. There is an ignorance in this country about the political process yet there is extreme frustration when this type of thing happens. There is a huge disconnect between people in authority and people who live day to day in this country. Part of the issue is limited choices for people running but the toughest part is the lack of research voters do before going to the polls. Both sides somewhat have a point...but this "my way or the highway" has to stop on BOTH sides of the table. While I don't agree with aspects of the implementation of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (the fact that Obama embraced the term "Obamacare" shows his arrogance on the issue) I don't believe that is should be used to hold the people hostage. Do you think if these were things that actually impact the people who make decisions that we would be on said course?
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    Quote Originally Posted by femmeayitienne View Post
    nah dat heffa still calling delinquent people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Doodle View Post
    This is what happens when people have knee jerk reactions during mid-term elections. There is an ignorance in this country about the political process yet there is extreme frustration when this type of thing happens. There is a huge disconnect between people in authority and people who live day to day in this country. Part of the issue is limited choices for people running but the toughest part is the lack of research voters do before going to the polls. Both sides somewhat have a point...but this "my way or the highway" has to stop on BOTH sides of the table. While I don't agree with aspects of the implementation of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (the fact that Obama embraced the term "Obamacare" shows his arrogance on the issue) I don't believe that is should be used to hold the people hostage. Do you think if these were things that actually impact the people who make decisions that we would be on said course?
    this is beyond ACA though, the issue includes putting spending limits. The ACA is far from a success, premiums are likely to go up or participation by insurers on state exchanges as mandates increase.

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