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    Race Relations in Trinidad

    Blind Patriotism is Dangerous
    Posted: Thursday, September 8, 2005

    By Leslie

    Re: A Friendly Guide to Identify a Trini by Linda E. Edwards

    Blind patriotism is as dangerous as it is senseless. Many people propagate false ideas about their places of birth to boost their egos, to claim superiority over others or to relieve the pain of homesickness. Trinidad and Tobago is not the happy-go-lucky place that some make it out to be. Many 'Trinbagonians' face the constant struggle to survive and to navigate within a system that is very prejudiced, very racist and very unequal.

    Trinidad and Tobago, like most other nations in the Western hemisphere can claim ancestry from various places, but this says nothing about the race relations here. Frankly, races do not mingle freely in Trinidad and Tobago. The Whites, commonly referred to as the 'French Creoles', the Syrians/Lebanese and other light-skinned ones are rarely seen as they deliberately separate themselves from the darker races. East Indians and Africans comprise the majority of the population, but the unresolved race issues and ignorance of history continue to separate them.

    The 'mixed' population, who also exist in Trinidad and Tobago, gets the most amount media attention in order that the false notion of national unity is promulgated. They comprise a group who seem to complicate the issue of race relations by adding a new dimension - the issue of shadism/colourism. Many of these 'in-betweens' are ignorant of history and do not fully understand their position of privilege. Thus, they help to spread the illusion of racial harmony and equality without understanding that they, in fact, help to maintain the real evils of racism and inequality. Because they provide the approved aesthetic image for what Trinbagonians are or should be, they receive the material and physical benefits as well. And the closer mixed ones are to white, the more material privilege they receive.

    The Black, African-descended population in the country always receive the rotten end of the system. They have been ignored by the governments of the country (even by governments headed by Blacks for the sake of their political correctness) even after the grant of 'Independence.' They get the worst end of the justice system, the worst end of the mis-education system, and the worst end of the job-placement system. They are stereotyped, just as in other countries as being lazy, violent and unproductive. These legacies from slavery are very evident in Trinidad and Tobago, but those who are blinded by their privilege or by their dishonesty refuse to see this. In fact, crimes such as the drug trade are squarely blamed on Blacks whose faces make the cover of daily newspapers when drug busts are made. The White and Syrian/Lebanese financiers of the drug trade are never convicted because white is still deemed as right in this country.

    Trinbagonians have to deal with many of the same issues that others have. Racism, especially felt by the Black citizens of Trinidad and Tobago, has been left on the back burner and so many other issues, including crime have never been effectively dealt with. Drinks at the rum shop have never resolved the issue of poor race relations or any other issue for that matter. Passivity does not mean that things are right and in order. It may just mean that some are unarmored and cannot yet fight the war. In this regard, there is no real guide to show that one is a 'Trini' or not (beside one's accent or national ID). We have the same flaws as many other countries and have not yet been able to resolve them.

    TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO NEWS - Leslie

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    old article that was already posted and discussed to death twice.

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    Is there really anything ground breaking here??
    This is going on all over the caribbean....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BacchanalDiva View Post
    old article that was already posted and discussed to death twice.
    sorry bout dat- the search button not working

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeng View Post
    Blind Patriotism is Dangerous
    Posted: Thursday, September 8, 2005

    By Leslie

    Re: A Friendly Guide to Identify a Trini by Linda E. Edwards

    Blind patriotism is as dangerous as it is senseless. Many people propagate false ideas about their places of birth to boost their egos, to claim superiority over others or to relieve the pain of homesickness. Trinidad and Tobago is not the happy-go-lucky place that some make it out to be. Many 'Trinbagonians' face the constant struggle to survive and to navigate within a system that is very prejudiced, very racist and very unequal.

    Trinidad and Tobago, like most other nations in the Western hemisphere can claim ancestry from various places, but this says nothing about the race relations here. Frankly, races do not mingle freely in Trinidad and Tobago. The Whites, commonly referred to as the 'French Creoles', the Syrians/Lebanese and other light-skinned ones are rarely seen as they deliberately separate themselves from the darker races. East Indians and Africans comprise the majority of the population, but the unresolved race issues and ignorance of history continue to separate them.

    The 'mixed' population, who also exist in Trinidad and Tobago, gets the most amount media attention in order that the false notion of national unity is promulgated. They comprise a group who seem to complicate the issue of race relations by adding a new dimension - the issue of shadism/colourism. Many of these 'in-betweens' are ignorant of history and do not fully understand their position of privilege. Thus, they help to spread the illusion of racial harmony and equality without understanding that they, in fact, help to maintain the real evils of racism and inequality. Because they provide the approved aesthetic image for what Trinbagonians are or should be, they receive the material and physical benefits as well. And the closer mixed ones are to white, the more material privilege they receive.

    The Black, African-descended population in the country always receive the rotten end of the system. They have been ignored by the governments of the country (even by governments headed by Blacks for the sake of their political correctness) even after the grant of 'Independence.' They get the worst end of the justice system, the worst end of the mis-education system, and the worst end of the job-placement system. They are stereotyped, just as in other countries as being lazy, violent and unproductive. These legacies from slavery are very evident in Trinidad and Tobago, but those who are blinded by their privilege or by their dishonesty refuse to see this. In fact, crimes such as the drug trade are squarely blamed on Blacks whose faces make the cover of daily newspapers when drug busts are made. The White and Syrian/Lebanese financiers of the drug trade are never convicted because white is still deemed as right in this country.

    Trinbagonians have to deal with many of the same issues that others have. Racism, especially felt by the Black citizens of Trinidad and Tobago, has been left on the back burner and so many other issues, including crime have never been effectively dealt with. Drinks at the rum shop have never resolved the issue of poor race relations or any other issue for that matter. Passivity does not mean that things are right and in order. It may just mean that some are unarmored and cannot yet fight the war. In this regard, there is no real guide to show that one is a 'Trini' or not (beside one's accent or national ID). We have the same flaws as many other countries and have not yet been able to resolve them.

    TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO NEWS - Leslie
    Yuh know, when people try to make blanket statements such as these it would be nice if they provided evidence to support their claims. It's kinna infuriating to read such things by supposedly educated individuals who should at least be familiar with the scientific method. Ah guess she's one of the Blacks who's been given the short end of the education system...if she's Indian, well I wonder how she'd account for her poor journalism. :rollseyes:

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    But why is it always the black journalist that report stories such as this and not an Indian or a Syrian/Lebanese Chinese or White? That same statement about provide evidence is the very same thing most Trinidadians on this board said that inequality treatment towards Tobagonians are not true, but yet, the former PM Robinson spoke about the inequality, news articles in Tobago spoke about the inequality, etc.

    And i think her article is in good standing because VINCYPOWA posted a thread which had a link of all the Indians in Trinidad making racial remarks towards the blacks in Trinidad. I mean an entire board. Even though those posters comments may not reflect the overall view of East Indians in Trinidad but it does display that racism is very much alive in Trinidad as the same racism exist through out the globe. Now for you to be asking for proof or even try to discredit her article is classless coming from you Toppa, you should know better



    How you been?, long time i ent seen u round these here parks or you part of the Macco posse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BacchanalDiva View Post
    old article that was already posted and discussed to death twice.
    Thank you!

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    If Leslie is a Trini - she is entitled.
    If not - leh she hall she arse!
    You too Skeng!
    Go fock your self!

    Quote Originally Posted by skeng View Post
    Blind Patriotism is Dangerous
    Posted: Thursday, September 8, 2005

    By Leslie

    Re: A Friendly Guide to Identify a Trini by Linda E. Edwards

    Blind patriotism is as dangerous as it is senseless. Many people propagate false ideas about their places of birth to boost their egos, to claim superiority over others or to relieve the pain of homesickness. Trinidad and Tobago is not the happy-go-lucky place that some make it out to be. Many 'Trinbagonians' face the constant struggle to survive and to navigate within a system that is very prejudiced, very racist and very unequal.

    Trinidad and Tobago, like most other nations in the Western hemisphere can claim ancestry from various places, but this says nothing about the race relations here. Frankly, races do not mingle freely in Trinidad and Tobago. The Whites, commonly referred to as the 'French Creoles', the Syrians/Lebanese and other light-skinned ones are rarely seen as they deliberately separate themselves from the darker races. East Indians and Africans comprise the majority of the population, but the unresolved race issues and ignorance of history continue to separate them.

    The 'mixed' population, who also exist in Trinidad and Tobago, gets the most amount media attention in order that the false notion of national unity is promulgated. They comprise a group who seem to complicate the issue of race relations by adding a new dimension - the issue of shadism/colourism. Many of these 'in-betweens' are ignorant of history and do not fully understand their position of privilege. Thus, they help to spread the illusion of racial harmony and equality without understanding that they, in fact, help to maintain the real evils of racism and inequality. Because they provide the approved aesthetic image for what Trinbagonians are or should be, they receive the material and physical benefits as well. And the closer mixed ones are to white, the more material privilege they receive.

    The Black, African-descended population in the country always receive the rotten end of the system. They have been ignored by the governments of the country (even by governments headed by Blacks for the sake of their political correctness) even after the grant of 'Independence.' They get the worst end of the justice system, the worst end of the mis-education system, and the worst end of the job-placement system. They are stereotyped, just as in other countries as being lazy, violent and unproductive. These legacies from slavery are very evident in Trinidad and Tobago, but those who are blinded by their privilege or by their dishonesty refuse to see this. In fact, crimes such as the drug trade are squarely blamed on Blacks whose faces make the cover of daily newspapers when drug busts are made. The White and Syrian/Lebanese financiers of the drug trade are never convicted because white is still deemed as right in this country.

    Trinbagonians have to deal with many of the same issues that others have. Racism, especially felt by the Black citizens of Trinidad and Tobago, has been left on the back burner and so many other issues, including crime have never been effectively dealt with. Drinks at the rum shop have never resolved the issue of poor race relations or any other issue for that matter. Passivity does not mean that things are right and in order. It may just mean that some are unarmored and cannot yet fight the war. In this regard, there is no real guide to show that one is a 'Trini' or not (beside one's accent or national ID). We have the same flaws as many other countries and have not yet been able to resolve them.

    TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO NEWS - Leslie

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    Do people honestly care if this has been posted before and talked about to death? what about those who missed it and wanna talk about it? Its either you look at it and move on... I mean look at whats being talked about on this board lately anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveed View Post
    If Leslie is a Trini - she is entitled.
    If not - leh she hall she arse!
    You too Skeng!
    Go fock your self!
    lol, wha do dah wasteman yah, you want come jump down my throat for a article a trini write... you response warrant mi to tell yuh go suck yuh madda still.. but mi nah tek dah route deh, if yuh nuh like whe mi post come step pon mi finger dem.

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    No wonder there is so many ras stupid Trinin in de states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bago20 View Post
    Do people honestly care if this has been posted before and talked about to death? what about those who missed it and wanna talk about it? Its either you look at it and move on... I mean look at whats being talked about on this board lately anyway...
    Bago, lemme refresh your memory -what VP posted was a blog belonging to some retarded indian fella living in canada if I recall correctly... spewing the kind of nonsensical hate that you would hear from the most undeducated redneck up here. He also spewed hate on both the present gov't and the UNC, in the same breath that he said blacks were lazy, criminal responsible for all the kidnapping, he said it was good for indians for being backwards, canefarmers that sorta thing. I honestly don't feel that there is any society w/out them types. At the end of the day, money is what is most respected in Trinidad...you could be the blackest of the black but as long as you're well educated and you/your family have money you're respected (and there are some issues in that but they're not the topic of the article so I'm not getting into it). Would every single indian/white/chinee that would be happy to do business or lime w/ you be pleased if you come talking bout marrying his daughter? No but that's not the issue in the article either.

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    Some of us can face the truth, just walk around POS, look who own all of the major busineses.


    What is going on in T&T is no different from the other Islands, just a lot of folks here with a false sense of pride and a lack of facing reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trinifrombx View Post
    Some of us can face the truth, just walk around POS, look who own all of the major busineses.


    What is going on in T&T is no different from the other Islands, just a lot of folks here with a false sense of pride and a lack of facing reality.
    Dais what i"m saying...
    I believe everything in that article but its definitely not exclusive to Trinidad that shit happening everywhere (GT included just to save people the trouble of pointing out this revelation). Its no big secret..

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    Quote Originally Posted by trinifrombx View Post
    Some of us can face the truth, just walk around POS, look who own all of the major busineses.


    What is going on in T&T is no different from the other Islands, just a lot of folks here with a false sense of pride and a lack of facing reality.
    Ok leh we face truth...

    In my mother's girlhood days, the majority of indians in pos and its surrounding areas were fresh from the canefields and held positions of subservience. Many of them made money to feed their families by carrying packages for ppl shopping in the market. You buy your stuff and the indian fella carry it home so you could walk w/ yuh two hand swinging and out of spite, ppl would tell the indian man to take it one place and when they reach (after walking up all kinda big hill in the hot sun), someone would come to the door and say no, take it so and so place instead. Black ppl got their jollies out of looking down on the poor backwards indians because there was someone lower on the totem pole than them (mind you, i ent read this nowhere, this is accounts i get from various older relatives, some of whom feel guilty when they think bout it in they ole age). These same indians labored and did what they had to for a penny or two and stressed education to their children, they saved they pennies, lived humbly and bought a lil piece of business, the children grew, got educated, built up those businesses and bought/started more and sent their own kids to universities. They are a goal oriented ppl that have no problem scraping pennies, living humbly, not eating meat to save money (even if they're christian). No one, has stopped the african population of trinidad from doing the same (and many have). In addition, the fact that after emancipation, blacks ran from anything having to do w/ land while indians stayed attached to the land and looked at owning land as important adds another element. You'll find more successful blacks in the service industry and things like that than trying to open any kind of store.

    So where is your problem? Is the african population of trinidad that's not doing well the fault of the indians, the whites or the chinee? So if you look round pos and see most of the businesses owned by non african ppl is that because these non black ppl kept the blacks from being business owners?

    Gimme a break.

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