what hustle???? which one of those people you mention are still relevant today. you equate people who started together with Jay, who has either flamed out or are completely irrelevant today.

fashion company and liquor distribution doesn't count as entrepreneurial ventures huh?

JD - producer/record label owner/never really a rapper - no contest
snooppy/e-40 - seriously dude!!! is that even worth the keystrokes i typed already
prince/mannie - essentially are record producers, neither one of them have shown the level of growth of diversification of JZ, the started as producer label owner and the success is jsut as that... both in the process of flaming out.

you should have Forbes magazine retract the 50 richest rappers.
Top Five


First off Jay wasn't fired from def jam, he left, resigned what ever you want to call it. Now damn Dash; its hard to argue that Dame Dash was the brains behind rocafella considering when he left he lost everything. No artist left with him, he had no masters, Lost the clothing line, got bought out for chump change. Eventually filing for bankruptcy. If you look at both person success post rocafella is easy to see who was the mastermind at rocafella.

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lol

You have no idea what you are talking about.

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What are you talking about mannie/prince , don't know about individuals.

J Prince is CEO of Rap-A-Lot its one of the best indies out there, but it has had a few lukewarm names like maybe Scarface and the Geto Boys,how ever they're artist on the label whose MOVE UNITS THROUGH OUT THE SOUTH and Mid West.The dude had a few car dealerships and started out moving weight through Houston.He then later on made a few other ventures.

JD was a rapper ,his album even went platinum plus he's had a few features,any way he's behind many successful names in the music business,regardless of his own personal rap career.


I'm not even going to explain the others you need to do a little a research, maybe google would help you to give a better idea of things, you don't know the people you are speaking on.


Dame Dash was responsible for starting Roc A Fella,him and Jay, rumors say they asked a few hustlers from Marcy to loan them some cash to start up the label(heard it was $50,000 or so),of course he they bought back Roc A Fella, Jay-z sold the label back to Def Jam when he owned it.Plus do you see Jay coming out with his own clothing line, shit if Roc A Wear was garbage Jay was not making any money in fashion, mind you Dame Dash started another brief line call Team Roc, at least I would give him a little credit for trying.


Thank you!

well at least i could leave here knowing i have one thing in common with you....

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Are u freaking serious when u said that both bootlegging and piracy should not be an excuse for why artist can't sell? ARE U KIDDING ME? I haven’t bought an album in YEARS but I have ALL of them that I want. what innovation were u expecting him invent? I didn’t know he was a software expert. Watch The Throne DID NOT LEAK though…maybe the software wasn’t available back then… And artist are not selling because like u said the quality of music is weak NOT because of JAY. And he is a big boss for all the reasons bhalistix listed.

5o cent first album sold from hype.. he couldn’t come near it again. Dude there are dozens and dozens or artists releasing yearly and how many u think do lil wayne, drake or nicki numbers?..u trying to use less than 1% as an example of being able to sell records?... c’mon man.
Jay gave us RIHANNA so don’t say he failed to bring us someone new.


LL is another story.. everybody think they can do something untlll they are face to face with the responsibility

pardon me sir i had no idea when you said hustle you were refer to the quantity of drugs the individual pushed. I have no way of substantiating who move how many kilo of coc they so on that point i digress. I put mannie/prince together not to say they worked together but rather they are are of a similar subset, in essence producers.

Now if we want to go back to rappers, and success, even you just acknowledged in you response that Prince success was LUKEWARM.


JD was a record producer, who at the young age of 16 started his own record label and gave us artist like kris cross and da brat, and many others. Later on after being fully established he released a rap album. To me he is not a rapper in the sense that was not were he got his ground work from. I am sure 95% of his rap album is ghost written. But i am writing this under the presumption that you know all that. Because i am not even the biggest rap fan and i could tell you all this of the top of my head without having to google anything. shall we continue.

you sure is me that have to turn to google. moving on....


I when i tell a man he doesn't know what the phuck he talking about i use examples to illustrate my point. How you sit there and type that 3 people started a business together (regardless of where the got the start up capital from, drug dealer, moms, where ever) when it is all said and done one of them owned everything associated with that business artist, clothing line, liquor but some how the one that ended up with nothing is the more successful person. But you stupidity doesn't stop there, right now i am sure you did, you then went to post as evidence of his success a business venture he started and conclude by saying it FAILED. Don't google now but roc a wear still exist (wonder is jay still owns it, dont think he does), where is Team Roc Clothing,

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Listen here little man , you don't know shit about any of those dudes you are talking about.J Prince is not Mannie and has nothing to do with him.
I mentioned J Prince for the same reason you mentioned that Jay-z used to be in the street slanging and has made transition , J.Prince is another dude who has been a hustler( bird moving boss at that) and has made the transition of making it big in the hip hop industry,although his name may not be as household as Jay-z you best beleive has more loyal cutthroats on call the Jiggaloo...oopps excuse me Jigga Man.Besides that Rap A Lot records is a big deal to many southern dudes and folks in the Midwest,he has even signed popular rappers out in the Bay Area such as Yukmouth,Spice 1 ,and CJ Macc in Cali, if you been around the country and heard what niggas is bumping yo you would know whats happening.

How the fukk do you make the assumption the JD has his stuff Ghostwritten ,lil man take your ass on some where and don't talk about shit you know nothing of.The dude is a big producer ,songwriter,rapper, and singer.The dude has introduced Xscape,Jagged Edge,Dem Franchise Boyz,YoungBloodz,Da Brat of course,was responsible for developing Usher's career and has worked close by Mariah Carey.The number of musical artist he has helped to nurture is remarkable,how the fukk are you going to say he has his stuff ghost written, you sure Jay-z doesn't have his stuff ghost written either, and even if they did what does all that matter we are speaking of dudes being able to make a grind into other business,in other words what matters is dudes being able to diversify, like I said Jay-z business ventures all stem from music.

As for your bullshit statement saying that 3 people owned the Roc A Wear and the record label, no you're wrong, the reason you ask who Jay-z owns most of the royalties is because those 3 PEOPLE DIDN'T OWN THE COMPANY NOR CLOTHING LINE COMPLETELY, they started those business ventures with funding, and they have a certain stake in the company,you don't actually think Jay-z completely owned RocAFella when it was subsidary of Def Jam do you?The explanation is simple if the stakeholders of the company decide that they can knock the other or other persons out the way,to then have a more subservient coon, they would do that.Easy for you now.And btw nobody wears Roc A Wear no more,step ya wardrobe up.

That is not an excuse it has been proven time and time again that artist are able to go platium or multi platinum despite this age of piracy. Hasn't ''Lady Gaga'',Drake,Lil Wayne ,and Nick Minaj been able to sale ,alright point proven.

Yea it may not be all artist but some are able to sell, that's how its always is, this is the music industry, if every artist was good everybody would be a star.Now are you asking is there less artist being successful and able to break mainstream these days, then yes, but who is that due, I would blame certain people like Jay-Z,,for example who is Lil Wayne's favorite rapper , Jay-z, who do Nicki Minaj and Drake look up to and have been brought in the game by ,Lil Wayne, see the food chain, point proven.

The thing is I never thought of Jay-z as a big deal I really don't like the dude,only Life And Times Of Sean Carter 2 &3 are lukewarm, now that I contemplate it, I don't know what I was thinking for buying it.

And LL Cool J is not another story ,LL was sensible enough not to take the position of president of Def Jam, if he would not deliver.

dude clearly you feel your ass is being handed to you so you just scheming through what i write for something you want to rebute and not reading what i type. if you did you would not have repost J prince stuff again because i said this

omitting - indie label owners


and everything you say is based on face right, like the depth of j prince drug dealing empire rightl. You are confused if you wanna argue about who is the bigger drug dealer, who is the better rapper or who is more successful. get is straight


no you wanna argue semantics, they didn't really own it they were business ventures. Though you full or shit but lets leave it at that. if i get what you are saying the powers that b gave jay control over rocafella and rocawear because jay was a coon who would do what they want. assumption or fact. dude you have nothing to talk about. you too busy being mad to make a valued arguement.

In the end you still haven't told me how any of the people you mentioned was more successful than jay z nor have to shown me, how being fired from a job makes someone less of a success..


damn LR sorry i didn't listen to you when you warn me about discussin anything with this idiot.

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all me want know is how the fuk jigga buy out dames interest for $10 mill then two years later sell the company for $200 something million

if anybody can find the video

there was an mtv show about stars and how they living

"think you know yet you have no idea"

I remember distinctly jigga and lyor in the back of a limo and lyor doing an introduction of sorts of jigga to mtv execs etc

like he was gromming him

jigga never been the same since

big up uncle tom
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