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    Jamaica the next Haiti?

    Nice article. Check the bottom where he speaks on how easily any of the other islands, namely Jamaica could suffer the same fate.

    I was surprised to read this part:
    * Haiti, like Cuba, is believed to have in its exclusive economic zone, huge submarine oil reserves, greater than the present reserves of the United States.
    Caribbean: Haiti: Racism and Poverty
    Posted on Friday, October 31 @ 19:32:28 AST
    Topic: Haiti
    HaitiBy John Maxwell
    October 31, 2008

    The people of Haiti are as poor as human beings can be.

    According to the statisticians of the World Bank and others who speculate about how many Anglos can dance on the head of a peon, Haiti may either be the second, third or fourth poorest country in the world.

    In Haiti's case, statistics are irrelevant.

    When large numbers of people are reduced to eating dirt – earth, clay – it is impossible to imagine poverty any more absolute, any more desperate, any more inhuman and degrading.

    The chairman of the World Bank visited Haiti this past week. This man, Robert Zoellick, is an expert finance-capitalist, a former partner in the investment bankers Goldman Sachs, whose 22,000 'traders' last year averaged bonuses of more than $600,000 each.

    Goldman Sachs paid out over & 18 billion in bonuses to its traders last year, about 50% more than the GDP of Haiti's 8 million people.

    The chairman of Goldman took home more than $70 million and his lieutenants – as Zoellick once was – $40 million or more, each.

    It should be clear that someone like Robert Zoellick is likely to be totally bemused by Haiti when his entertainment allowance could probably feed the entire population for a day or two. It is not hard to understand that Mr. Zoellick cannot understand why Haiti needs debt relief.

    Haiti is now forced by the World Bank and its bloodsucking siblings like the IMF, to pay more than $1 million a week to satisfy debts incurred by the Duvaliers and the post-Duvalier tyrannies. Haiti must repay this debt to prove its fitness for 'help' from the Multilateral Financial Institutions (MFI).

    One million dollars a week would feed everybody in Haiti even if only at a very basic level – at least they would not have to eat earth patties. Instead the Haitians export this money to pay the salaries of such as Zoellick.

    But Zoellick doesn't see it that way. According to the World Bank's website the bank is in the business of eradicating poverty. At the rate it does that in Haiti the Bank, I estimate, will be in the poverty eradication business for another 18,000 years.

    The reason Haiti is in its present state is pretty simple. Canada, the United States and France, all of whom consider themselves civilised nations, colluded in the overthrow of the democratic government of Haiti four years ago. They did this for several excellent reasons:

    * Haiti 200 years ago defeated the world's then major powers, France (twice) Britain and Spain, to establish its independence and to abolish plantation slavery. This was unforgivable.
    * Despite being bombed, strafed and occupied by the United States early in the past century, and despite the American endowment of a tyrannical and brutal Haitian army designed to keep the natives in their place, the Haitians insisted on re-establishing their independence. Having overthrown the Duvaliers and their successors, the Haitians proceeded to elect as president a little black parish priest who had become their hero by defying the forces of evil and tyranny.
    * The new president of Haiti, Jean Bertrand Aristide refused to sell out (privatise) the few assets owned by the government (the public utilities mainly);
    * Aristide also insisted that France owed Haiti more than $25 billion in repayment of blood money extorted from Haiti in the 19th century, as alleged compensation for France's loss of its richest colony and to allow Haiti to gain admission to world trade;
    * Aristide threatened the hegemony of a largely expatriate ruling class of so-called 'elites' whose American connections allowed them to continue the parasitic exploitation and economic strip mining of Haiti following the American occupation.
    * Haiti, like Cuba, is believed to have in its exclusive economic zone, huge submarine oil reserves, greater than the present reserves of the United States.
    * Haiti would make a superb base from which to attack Cuba.

    The American attitude to Haiti was historically based on American disapproval of a free black state just off the coast of their slave-based plantation economy. This attitude was pithily expressed in Thomas Jefferson's idea that a black man was equivalent to three fifths of a white man. It was further apotheosized by Woodrow Wilson's Secretary of State, William Jennings Bryan who expostulated to Wilson: "Imagine! ########################s speaking French!"

    The Haitians clearly did not know their place. In February 2004, Mr. John McCain's International Republican Institute, assisted by Secretary of State Colin Powell, USAID and the CIA, kidnapped Aristide and his wife and transported them to the Central African Republic as 'cargo' in a plane normally used to 'render' terrorists for torture outsourced by the US to Egypt, Morocco and Uzbekistan.

    Before Mr. Zoellick went to Haiti last week, the World Bank announced that Mr. Zoellick's visit would "emphasize the Bank's strong support for the country." Mr. Zoellick added: "Haiti must be given a chance. The international community needs to step up to the challenge and support the efforts of the Haitian government and its people."

    "If Robert Zoellick wants to give Haiti a chance, he should start by unconditionally cancelling Haiti's debt," says Brian Concannon of the Institute for Justice & Democracy in Haiti. "Instead the World Bank- which was established to fight poverty- continues to insist on debt payments when Haitians are starving to death and literally mired in mud."

    "After four hurricanes in a month and an escalating food crisis it is outrageous that Haiti is being told it must wait six more months for debt relief," said Neil Watkins, National Coordinator of Jubilee USA Network.

    "Haiti's debt is both onerous and odious", added Dr. Paul Farmer of Partners In Health. "The payments are literally killing people, as every dollar sent to Washington is a dollar Haiti could spend on healthcare, nutrition and feeding programs, desperately needed infrastructure and clean water. Half of the loans were given to the Duvaliers and other dictatorships, and spent on Presidential luxuries, not development programs for the poor. Mr. Zoellick should step up and support the Haitian government by cancelling the debt now."

    "Unconditional debt cancellation is the first step in addressing the humanitarian crisis in Haiti," according to Nicole Lee, Executive Director of TransAfrica Forum. "There is also an urgent need for U.S. policy towards Haiti to shift from entrenching the country in future debt to supporting sustainable, domestic solutions for development." The above quotations are taken from an appeal by the organisations represented above.

    Further comment is superfluous.

    Poverty and Globalisation

    President Jean Bertrand Aristide, now in enforced exile in South Africa, might be sardonically entertained by a new report just published by the world's Club of the Rich, the OECD –Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development.

    This report, titled "Growing Unequal" examines the accelerating trend toward economic inequality in the societies of the world's richest countries. The report contains several mind-blowing discoveries which will, no doubt, amaze journalists and policy-makers in the Western hemisphere and keep them entertained for many years.

    The major finding is that globalisation and free trade have hurt millions of people, particularly the poorest.

    Another ground-breaking discovery is that "work reduces poverty".

    One of these days Jamaicans and other Caribbean people may decide to find out whether these theses are true and whether if they are, we should have signed on to the new EPA with the European Union.

    If our ginnigogs were able and willing to read they might become aware of a phenomenon called the 'resource curse' which appears to condemn developing countries with enormous mineral wealth to misery, war, corruption and destitution.

    If our ginnigogs could or would read, they might find it useful to discover whether an acre of land under citrus or pumpkins is not more productive, sustainable and valuable than that same acre destroyed for bauxite.

    If our ginnigogs could or would read, they might become aware of the fate of the island of Nauru, 'discovered' less than two hundred years ago, mined for phosphate, returning a per capita national income rivaling Saudi Arabia's two and three decades ago and now to be abandoned because the land has been mined to death and is destined to disappear shortly beneath the waves of global warming.

    Softly, softly, catchee monkee.

    If our ginnigogs were able to read and willing and able to defend the interests of Jamaica and the Jamaican people they might discover that bauxite mining will, within a relatively short time, contaminate all the water resources of Jamaica, destroy our cultural heritage, wipe out our priceless biological diversity, deprave our landscape and reduce those of us who survive to a state of penury and hopelessness. Goodbye tourism, goodbye farming, welcome hunger, welcome clay patties.

    According to the experts if you drop a live lobster into a pot of boiling water the creature will make frenzied efforts to escape. If, on the other hand, you put him in a pot of cold water and bring it slowly to the boil, the lobster will perish without a struggle.

    Jamaica, on the atlas, is shaped a bit like a lobster.

    Bon appetit.

    Copyright © 2008 John Maxwell

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    When large numbers of people are reduced to eating dirt – earth, clay – it is impossible to imagine poverty any more absolute, any more desperate, any more inhuman and degrading........

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    No leader in Jamaica is a threat to White Ruling Class interests at this time.....

    ......Jamaica is WIDE OPEN for foreign plunder-----therefore they are not subject to Severe International Punishments as inflicted upon Haitians.

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    Very interesting read. It confirms much of what I have already known.
    This world is facked up and alot of people gonna have to answer for a lot of disgusting things come judgement day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinababy View Post
    Very interesting read. It confirms much of what I have already known.
    This world is facked up and alot of people gonna have to answer for a lot of disgusting things come judgement day.
    True. But you know what it also made me think? How retarded the developing nations are. They buy into all the US vilification of ppl like Chavez instead of banding together, sharing resources and providing a unified front against the superpowers. Why couldn't the caricom nations have prevented what happened w/ Aristede? What are they doing now to help bring Haiti back? They won't even go so far as to make public statements of disapproval much less anything else.

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    Fock Haiti

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    Quote Originally Posted by BacchanalDiva View Post
    True. But you know what it also made me think? How retarded the developing nations are. They buy into all the US vilification of ppl like Chavez instead of banding together, sharing resources and providing a unified front against the superpowers. Why couldn't the caricom nations have prevented what happened w/ Aristede? What are they doing now to help bring Haiti back? They won't even go so far as to make public statements of disapproval much less anything else.
    Ha Ha you raise some interesting points..
    First of all most of these Western Nations deserve all the vilification they get and more, and I'm not just refering to just the US either. Like the article stated Britain, Canada and esp. France all have their role to pay in all of this.
    Also even with all the developing nations banding together what type of economic, military leverage do they really have?

    Secondly we've discussed the identification issue here on imix sooooo many times and this is a prime example of my argument. I look at Haitians as fellow Africans who are no different from me. Any one of us from the Caribbean region could have been one of those Haitians suffering, eating dirt or nothing at all, but instead what have we done, is bought into this nationalistic bullshit, "I'm Jamaican first, I'm Trini, I'm Bajan, Guyanese" or fill in the blank. We actually think we're different from the people in Haiti. Many of us have absolutely no desire to identify with these people because we've convinced ourselves that we're better than them. Its like we've forgetten that we are products of where we were dumped off many centuries ago.

    I wasn't raised in NYC but i remember as a child coming to visit a cousin of mine and the way she used to talk about Haitians. She used to say things like they stink, they're dirty, on and on. I never even knew what a Haitian was (coming from Toronto I never grew up knowing any) but I figured they were people i never wanted to know. We've spent years vilifying them. Why would we all of a sudden start helping them?

    Until we as a people (black people, African people) start identifying with each other beyond superficial, arbitrary geographic boundaries that were created for a reason that has nothing to do with OUR well being, we will never be able to band together to defend our brothers and sisters being abused in places like Haiti.

    Sorry if it came off preachy, not my intent but i had alot to say.

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    ########################s could never unite,that is why they would always remain weak

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinababy View Post
    Ha Ha you raise some interesting points..
    First of all most of these Western Nations deserve all the vilification they get and more, and I'm not just refering to just the US either. Like the article stated Britain, Canada and esp. France all have their role to pay in all of this.
    Also even with all the developing nations banding together what type of economic, military leverage do they really have?

    Secondly we've discussed the identification issue here on imix sooooo many times and this is a prime example of my argument. I look at Haitians as fellow Africans who are no different from me. Any one of us from the Caribbean region could have been one of those Haitians suffering, eating dirt or nothing at all, but instead what have we done, is bought into this nationalistic bullshit, "I'm Jamaican first, I'm Trini, I'm Bajan, Guyanese" or fill in the blank. We actually think we're different from the people in Haiti. Many of us have absolutely no desire to identify with these people because we've convinced ourselves that we're better than them. Its like we've forgetten that we are products of where we were dumped off many centuries ago.

    I wasn't raised in NYC but i remember as a child coming to visit a cousin of mine and the way she used to talk about Haitians. She used to say things like they stink, they're dirty, on and on. I never even knew what a Haitian was (coming from Toronto I never grew up knowing any) but I figured they were people i never wanted to know. We've spent years vilifying them. Why would we all of a sudden start helping them?

    Until we as a people (black people, African people) start identifying with each other beyond superficial, arbitrary geographic boundaries that were created for a reason that has nothing to do with OUR well being, we will never be able to band together to defend our brothers and sisters being abused in places like Haiti.

    Sorry if it came off preachy, not my intent but i had alot to say.
    Nah, yuh ent sound preachy, is all true. I hear my own fam talking down bout Haitians as well. And doh let a Haitian have pride in themselves..is "they playing ting and they know blasted well Papa Doc had them seeing trouble etc". Very seldom do I hear anyone acknowledge them as "part of us", far more give them kudos as the 1st independent black nation.

    As for what we can do, I feel the developing nations of the caribbean and south america could do plenty. We may not be economic superpowers but from what I understand we are the biggest importers of american goods. Now somebody like Chavez would say stop importing those goods...most of the non necessities are coming from China, Mexico etc anyway...is the food from the US that we depend on. You have islands like St. Vincent that still have strong agriculture, why not encourage/subsidize those farmers, and other islands like Trinidad supply those places with the goods/services that they don't have? What I'm saying is I think we have plenty power and pull but only as one body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BacchanalDiva View Post
    Nah, yuh ent sound preachy, is all true. I hear my own fam talking down bout Haitians as well. And doh let a Haitian have pride in themselves..is "they playing ting and they know blasted well Papa Doc had them seeing trouble etc". Very seldom do I hear anyone acknowledge them as "part of us", far more give them kudos as the 1st independent black nation.

    As for what we can do, I feel the developing nations of the caribbean and south america could do plenty. We may not be economic superpowers but from what I understand we are the biggest importers of american goods. Now somebody like Chavez would say stop importing those goods...most of the non necessities are coming from China, Mexico etc anyway...is the food from the US that we depend on. You have islands like St. Vincent that still have strong agriculture, why not encourage/subsidize those farmers, and other islands like Trinidad supply those places with the goods/services that they don't have? What I'm saying is I think we have plenty power and pull but only as one body.
    You got a good point but heres the problem, with the exception of Chavez all these caribbean nations have leaders who are more than willing to bow down to Western leadership. Haiti is a perfect example of a nation whose leadership was willing to buck against western leadership and look what happened to him? How many Caribbean nations are going to elect leaders who wanna break away from a colonial (yea i said colonial cuz to me its still the same thing) paradigm? How many leaders would even get the opportunity to run for election with a more leftist platform? I dont think such a campaign would even get off the ground. I think unity among Caribbean is the first challenge but its definitely not the only challenge. It would be wonderful to see the descendants of oppressed and colonized people band together in the developing word and forge their own futures free from unfair practices that cripple them, but i think its more difficult than you or I could even imagine.

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    Even Haitians have a hard time to actually really feel for other poor haitains.
    I fell bad saying that, but it is the truth. When living in place where being someone and having privileges were the norm, it is quite hard to imagine sharing those privileges with others whom you need in order to remain who you are. When i used to live in haiti, i knew that there were poor people and that not every kids go to school, i knew that some kids work as maid. We had about 3 maids, one gardener, one nanny and two restaveks (kids). Yes we treated them very good, like family members, but it never crossed none of our minds to think that there was something wrong.

    It was just the way things were, and we (my family) thought that we were good because of the fact that we were helping them out by making sure they were provided with proper employment, that they were paid very fairly and that they were able to go to evening school to learn to read, write and learn a trade. Other family members used to complain that we treated our sevants way too good and that they do not deserve all that because after all they were poor people. The fact remin that we needed these people to stay where they were in order to have our status. our privileges came from the fact that these people and most haitians do not have those provileges and most importantly most haitians wish and dream of having them. Their desire gave us even more importance in their eyes and more privileges in our daily lives.

    it is only when i left Haiti that i started to realize how messed up the situation is in that country. the funny thing is even now i find it hard at time to feel for suffering haitians. I was never brought to stop and look and try to feel their pain. There was a time when because of my beliefs i would not engage haitians like Haitiandiva who's family was obviously not from the same circle as mind.

    so all that to say that if it is soooo hard for fellow haitians to feel the pain for other fellow haitians imagine how hard would it be for non haitians to feel the pain of destitute haitians.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rinababy View Post
    Ha Ha you raise some interesting points..
    First of all most of these Western Nations deserve all the vilification they get and more, and I'm not just refering to just the US either. Like the article stated Britain, Canada and esp. France all have their role to pay in all of this.
    Also even with all the developing nations banding together what type of economic, military leverage do they really have?

    Secondly we've discussed the identification issue here on imix sooooo many times and this is a prime example of my argument. I look at Haitians as fellow Africans who are no different from me. Any one of us from the Caribbean region could have been one of those Haitians suffering, eating dirt or nothing at all, but instead what have we done, is bought into this nationalistic bullshit, "I'm Jamaican first, I'm Trini, I'm Bajan, Guyanese" or fill in the blank. We actually think we're different from the people in Haiti. Many of us have absolutely no desire to identify with these people because we've convinced ourselves that we're better than them. Its like we've forgetten that we are products of where we were dumped off many centuries ago.

    I wasn't raised in NYC but i remember as a child coming to visit a cousin of mine and the way she used to talk about Haitians. She used to say things like they stink, they're dirty, on and on. I never even knew what a Haitian was (coming from Toronto I never grew up knowing any) but I figured they were people i never wanted to know. We've spent years vilifying them. Why would we all of a sudden start helping them?

    Until we as a people (black people, African people) start identifying with each other beyond superficial, arbitrary geographic boundaries that were created for a reason that has nothing to do with OUR well being, we will never be able to band together to defend our brothers and sisters being abused in places like Haiti.

    Sorry if it came off preachy, not my intent but i had alot to say.

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    I'm sorry to say this but the Haitians that I know don't even feel sorry for their own fellow Haitians back home.

    I hardly see Haitian who have so called "made it" giving back. I see Trinis, Jamaicans, Vincetians, etc, sending money back home and goods but its non existent for the Haitians that I know...they could care less and that's the truth

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    well that is not true at all. most haitians (not to say all)from humble families do send money to their family and help them as much as they can.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kia_Free View Post
    I'm sorry to say this but the Haitians that I know don't even feel sorry for their own fellow Haitians back home.

    I hardly see Haitian who have so called "made it" giving back. I see Trinis, Jamaicans, Vincetians, etc, sending money back home and goods but its non existent for the Haitians that I know...they could care less and that's the truth

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