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    Indians in Jamaica are disrepected?

    u see how IMIXERS like to make their specific country seem perfect while bashin others! this is the contribution from an Indo Jamaican



    Ugh…I hate it when people talk of Indians from Jamaica, but then show mostly pictures of mixed persons who are only part Indian. While a lot are mixed (and more will probably be in the future), most are NOT. Yet, at least half the people shown when “Indo-Jamaican” is mentioned are only part Indian. People always seem willing to admit that there are Indians in Jamaica only if they also take the chance to under-emphasise their distinctiveness. It’s like saying, “You can be acknowledged, but only if you’re acknowledged in the least Indian way possible.”

    Blacks are associated with Jamaica for three reasons. Firstly, the only thing most non-Jamaicans know about Jamaica is that it is the birthplace of Bob Marley, Reggae, and Rastafarianism.

    Secondly, because 90% of Jamaica is Black (and another 5% are part Black), most Jamaicans that they’ve seen are, in fact, Black or mostly Black. I mean, when was the last time you turned on the Olympics and saw a non-Black Jamaican sprinter?

    Thirdly, Black Jamaicans portray Jamaica as a Black nation. As much as Jamaicans don’t like to admit it, race is still an issue on a subtle level. True, it’s not as bad as before. When my parents were growing up in Jamaica, being Indian, they weren’t liked very much. According to Blacks, they were “########################s” who ate bushes like animals do, s**t on their roti before eating it, and had their tails cut off at port. They even tried to prevent my mom and her sisters from being allowed to get water for the family. (This was before running water. My grandfather liked to yell and brandish a machete; It convinced them to abandon this particular attempt at racial discrimination.) These notions aren’t polite to speak out loud any more, but to say that race is not important is far from the truth. Look at politics for instance, do you think Michael Manley used Bob Marley, a symbol of Black nationalism, in his campaign for nothing? It was an obvious attempt to be the candidate of the Black man. It went hand in hand with his socialist ideals of nationalisation and more equal distribution of wealth. Who’s wealth was being distributed to who? In 1970s Jamaica, the economic ladder had three levels: Upper – Whites, Syrians, Jews; Middle – Chinese, Browns, Indians; and Lower – Blacks. So, while there may have been noble intentions behind the campaign for socialisation, in the end, it had undertones of empowering poor Blacks to counteract the success of Upper- and Middle-class minorities. Even look at P. J. Patterson. He was in power for so long, yet people always complained about him. So, why vote for him? I’ve heard Black Jamaicans themselves tell me that his Blackness was a factor in his election.

    The misconception of “Jamaican = Black” is not just a result of ignorance, it is also the result of Jamaican Blacks portraying the nation as Black. The motto of Jamaica is just a verbal cliche to make it seem that race is not an issue, but it hides the history of subtle race politics. An example of how Jamaica portrays itself, in subtle ways, can be illustrated by the last time I was at Manley Airport. (It was about two or three years ago.) I was bored, so I started to read one of those poster things on the wall, the ones with Manley’s picture and some biographical information. I had read most of it when I got to the part that annoyed the heck out of me. There, on this wall in the airport, one of the first places foreigner’s see when they arrive in Jamaica, it boldly referred to Jamaica as a “Black nation”.

    So, ideas of race are still present in Jamaica at a subtle level. Plus, I still see a few Black people sometimes refusing to eat our food because they “don’t eat such things”, and I still end up being frustrated when an Independence Day sermon ends up being an ode to the Black race. I have nothing against Blacks, but it this type of Black hegemony that have contributed greatly to the deterioration of the Indian community in Jamaica. As an Indian who loves my culture, this is a painful process to watch.

    Anyways, sorry for the rant…

    - M.R.

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    Hmmm well the writer's views are no different than people in another country who feel images of them are not shown. In other countries also some people feel their voices are not heard and their contributions are not shown.
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    repost.

    so what, is only indians you find have complaints in jamaica? or is only indians you care bout?


    rhetorical, please do not answer.
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    Thumbs up

    Hail up to my black Jamaican ppls.
    Man ah Barbeerian bound tuh be by de bar beer in meh hand beastly cold.

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    I can't believe Jamaicans are complaining Imixers bashing their country at the sametime Haiti is the most talk bad about Island on Imix Haitians are not complaining we just posted what many Imixers don't know about Haiti positive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquinhaiti4ever View Post
    I can't believe Jamaicans are complaining Imixers bashing their country at the sametime Haiti is the most talk bad about Island on Imix Haitians are not complaining we just posted what many Imixers don't know about Haiti positive
    the most bashed island is TNT, have u ever ventured into Soca chat? they go in on TNT in there.

    Haiti is not bashed, everyone loves Haiti

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    Yeah whatever I've on Imix for probably 6 years forgot my first membership recreated this one I one I guess back 2008 you tried to tell me the Island most talked bad about on Imix hmm hmm hmm some Imixers when a positive threead about Haiti they don't even want to comment on it when something negative about Haiti most of the Imixers jump in to comments
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    well this thread was made to challenge some of the Jamaican notions of one love, everyone living in harmony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWAGGERIFIC View Post
    well this thread was made to challenge some of the Jamaican notions of one love, everyone living in harmony.
    You seem to have an obsession with Jamaicans, your whole life is centered around comparing your culture to Jamaican culture.

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    Me personally I never any problems with anybody from the Islands because when I was in High school in New Jersey that's all we had our entire soccer team was Haitians, Jamaicans, and Trinidadians We had more issues with black Americans who some of them had problems with people from other countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWAGGERIFIC View Post
    well this thread was made to challenge some of the Jamaican notions of one love, everyone living in harmony.
    So because some guy feel like his race is not represented enough, that means Jamaicans aren't living in harmony?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Namey Namey View Post
    You seem to have an obsession with Jamaicans, your whole life is centered around comparing your culture to Jamaican culture.
    yes I have an obsession with the Jamaican obsession in making everything about Jamaica seem perfect.

    I have heard countless Jamaicans claim that Indians in Jamaica are mainstream are not ethnically aware as Trini and Guyanese Indians...but I now realize that Indo Jamaicans were forced to give up their culture to be accepted, there was a widespread giving up on Hinduism to claim Christianity.

    also, their smaller numbers did not help in them maintaining solidarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWAGGERIFIC View Post
    yes I have an obsession with the Jamaican obsession in making everything about Jamaica seem perfect.

    I have heard countless Jamaicans claim that Indians in Jamaica are mainstream are not ethnically aware as Trini and Guyanese Indians...but I now realize that Indo Jamaicans were forced to give up their culture to be accepted, there was a widespread giving up on Hinduism to claim Christianity.

    also, their smaller numbers did not help in them maintaining solidarity.
    You are obsessed with everything Jamaican, you have some real insecurity issues. It seems as if being Trinidadian is just not enough for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Namey Namey View Post
    You are obsessed with everything Jamaican, you have some real insecurity issues. It seems as if being Trinidadian is just not enough for you.
    Namey, u are new to IMIX, u would not understand why I posted a thread like this...go back to all the threads where we dealt with Indo Caribbean issues and u would understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquinhaiti4ever View Post
    I can't believe Jamaicans are complaining Imixers bashing their country at the sametime Haiti is the most talk bad about Island on Imix Haitians are not complaining we just posted what many Imixers don't know about Haiti positive

    There's a difference, they bash Haiti mainly based on ignorance maybe. With Jamaica most of the time they know better, but they purposely pretend to be ingorant, because it makes them feel better.

    The obsession with Haiti and Jamaica are two different obsessions.

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