What?? No Cadence-Lypso = Haitian Cadence & Calypso.

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i am new here and even i can tell he is pullin your leg lol

I'm not ... he is blinded by over patriotism ... ask him what cadence means, kadans to be exact...

His summary is on point.

Cadence-lypso translates to Soul of Calypso...

lemme drop a garvey quote one time...

EDUCATION

To be learned in all that is worth while knowing. Not to be crammed with the subject matter of the book or the philosophy of the class room, but to store away in your head such facts as you need for the daily application of life, so that you may the better in all things understand your fellowmen, and interpret your relationship to your Creator.

You can be educated in soul, vision and feeling, as well as in mind. To see your enemy and know him is a part of the complete education of man; to spiritually regulate one's self is another form of the higher education that fits man for a nobler place in life, and still, to approach your brother by the feeling of your own humanity, is an education that softens the ills of the world and makes us kind indeed.

Many a man was educated outside the school room. It is something you let out, not completely take in. You are part of it, for it is natural; it is dormant simply because you will not develop it, but God creates every man with it knowingly or unknowingly to him who possesses it—that's the difference. Develop yours and you become as great and full of knowledge as the other fellow without even entering the class room.

*sheds a tear*

While I am very flattered that you (as a stranger) have dedicated a thread to me (the Jamaican-British princess), we all know where this is going to go.

Since we both seem to be based in London and since this is mainly directed at me you are free to PM anytime you like.

A Trinidadian with as much passion as yours is an extremely rare breed in London.

Many thanks for that summary, quite informative!
Most Trini producers weren't aware of that song but Ed Watson was.
Aside from being a great brass band arranger, Ed Watson was a collector and student of Regional and African music which is why he regularly added these various flavours to his 70's and early 80's Soca arrangements.

Good stuff!

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If this is true then Soca and Cadence-lypso are like brother and sister springing from the very same mother, the main difference being language, one was born in an English speaking Caribbean island and the other was born in a French Creole speaking Caribbean island!

Interesting concept!

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I have to disagree with your last line but maybe its the company I keep.

Would be nice to get some feedback on this particular post I made earlier in this thread even if you prefer to PM me your reply.
Trinidadians were not listening to Jamaicans toasting over American music in the 50s/60s. We already had our own music calypso that was just as popular as American music at that time and which was enabling our top calypso singers to go on music tours all over the Caribbean region as well as America and Europe.

Why do you think so many top Trinidad calypsonians ended up in Jamaica during the Federation era? Because they were in popular demand and took the opportunity to go on tour all around the Caribbean region including Jamaica to sing and make a living as calypso entertainers.

As I said before Ragga-Soca was inspired by Jamaican raggamuffin dancehall but not Rapso which was actually inspired by the Black Power Movement that swept Trinidad in the 70’s before Jamaican Dancehall Djing had made any kind of impact in Trinidad.

Rapso is basically the poetry of calypso, i.e. reciting calypso in a more militant style rather than singing calypso in the traditional tourist friendly style.
You can go here for more details on Rapso: The Rapso Thread!

I agree with Soca being influence by Soul and Funk in its early days which is basically what I said; I removed Compas and Zouk from the list but left Cadence, Funk, Soul on the list and added Calypso and East Indian rhythms to the list.

I think it is very debatable that Calypso did not have an influence on Ska in the earlies; that is not what I've heard from some of the old timers I know who are still alive.

Check this out and then come back and tell me with a straight face that calypso did not have an influence on Ska in its early days!

Lord Kitchener - Wife And Mother (late '50’s)


Now listen to the Ska version.

Lord Tanamo - Mothers Choice (Early 60's)


Lord Brynner - Big Bamboo (Early 60's)


Lord Creator - Big Bamboo (Ska Calypso Version)


Lord Brynner - Congo War (1964)


Lord Brynner - Teach Me To Ska (1964)



As I said Ska came about by fusing Jamaican Mento, Trinidadian Calypso and American Blue Beat in the earlies and evolved from there.

Also listen to the end of this interview with Sparrow where he talks about the connection between Calypso and Reggae.

Mighty Sparrow (Interview) - Calypso as Mother music

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Lets put it this way:

Hati Cadence Rampa / Kompas - Dominica CadenceLypso/Bouyon - TNT Soca - Gwada Zouk.

If Haitians didn't create Cadence Rampa would there have been CadenceLypso, Bouyon, Soca,Zouk?

Haitian Cadence Rampa was fused with Calypso to create CadenceLypso fr Dominica.. Dominicans fused CadenceLypso with folk music from Dominica to create Bouyon Music.. TNT fused CadenceLypso with Trinidadian elements. That's why Bouyon and Soca sound like family.. Bouyon more Dominican because of the Dominican folk song elements.. TNT used Trinidad elements.. What shorty substituted apart from D/a folk music.. The guy spent years in Dominica writing n jamming to Cadence music he used the influence.. No brainier..

Haitian music - African Music is the main bridge in some of the Caribbean most popular music.

Main Influence in all - African riddim.

Correction:

T&T fused Calypso with East Indian Rhythms to create Soca and then also added soul, funk, latin, cadence, etc to the mixture to create different flavours of Soca.

CadenceLypso is not the mother of Soca, Calypso is.

In fact it arguable that Calypso is the mother of most of the later musical styles to be developed in the Caribbean region; Calypso being originally started when the slaves decided to sing to communicate while they were working on the plantations because they were not allowed to speak to each other while working the cane fields, etc.

Otherwise your post is spot on!

If cadencelypso translates in English to soul of calypso then there is no doubt that soca and cadence-lypso are like brother and sister as they both have a common mother which is calypso!

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That's YPO my dude.. If Your king didn't go Dominica I'm sure soca would have still been crafted from other innovators in some other way and name..but since it went that way French west Indian influece has that foundation in the formation of Soca. Sorry my boy. Large up Haiti and African music

well to be fair, there is an influence of the French music in Soca, but Dominica was influenced by Calypso and u neglect to mention that Calypso started off as a French influenced music, so much so that the first era of Calypso was recorded in French Creole.

I dont get the sense that u are trying to credit or discredit, just dealing with facts. great

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Trini ex slaves or the ex slaves from all islands?

Many ex-slaves from Dominica and Martinique were resettled in Trinidad during the 1700's and contributed towards the development of the Kaiso artform in Trinidad.
In fact the earliest kaisos (as they were originally called) were all sung in French Creole and it is only a ban on singing kaisos/calypsos in French Creole around the time that recording technology came in the early 1900's that led to Calypsos being sung totally in English. The English colonial rulers wanted to understand if the kaisonians were singing about them, hence why calypsonians rapidly developed the art of singing calypsos in double-entendre.

So indeed ex-slaves from the other islands particularly the French Creole speaking islands of Dominica and Martinique, contributed crucially to the development of the calypso artform in Trinidad. Most Caribbean people whether French or English speaking are linked culturally by Calypso music if we go back far enough.

Listen to this interview with Calypso King of the World the Mighty Sparrow.

Mighty Sparrow (Interview) - Calypso as Mother music

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How could my summary be on point but the definition be different? make up your mind.

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Ti sourit, ti sourit se nan pèlen ou rete
Rat ki rat se nan pèlen ou rete
Tèt zozo men pa ou, zozo kale men pa ou
M ap konyen fanm nan jis solèy leve
Bwa m kale tou wouj
Kon piman , kon piman, Langyèt madivinèz
Ou pa bezwen chandèl pou ou klere l