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    Christian Guide to Smacking Your Kids



    Row over Christian smacking manual
    19 July 2006
    By ANNA CHALMERS and MATTHEW TORBIT

    A Christian group urging parents to smack their children, using discipline sessions lasting up to 15 minutes, has been accused of promoting what amounts to child abuse.


    Family Integrity has produced a controversial eight-page booklet on how to use physical punishment under the present law.

    Parents are told that smacking can be a "10-to-15-minute process" and that if a child reacts angrily, such as by slamming doors or "pouting", they should be smacked again.

    "Smacking is meant to drive the foolishness, the sinful manifestations, out of the child's personality so that they do not become permanent fixtures," it says.

    Smacking is justified because children younger than age eight "do not think straight" and lack a developed sense of fair play and duty.

    The Family Integrity booklet, written by Craig Smith, says the Bible and section 59 of the Crimes Act allow parents to use reasonable force to discipline their children.

    Family Integrity says it is an informal group of families and individuals independent of any political party or church. The group believes "it is right and wise to bring our children up with loving corporal correction" and is opposed to "unjustifiable government interference" in family life.

    Children's Commissioner Cindy Kiro said Family Integrity's suggestion of a 10-15-minute discipline session was "completely off the wall".

    "The idea that children are sinful and that they need to be beaten in order to be moral beings is fundamentally wrong."

    Barnardos chief executive Murray Edridge said the discipline guidelines were tantamount to child abuse.

    "I'm just appalled to read the stuff they are advocating, and the scary thing is people might believe them, and that's a very dangerous place for society to be in."

    Mr Smith said last night the brochure was written for a Christian audience and outlined the biblical philosophy of child punishment. Many Christians did not want to see smacking banned as that would take away parental authority, but he conceded the brochure would appear as "total nonsense" to non-Christians.

    AdvertisementAdvertisementGreen MP Sue Bradford is promoting a bill to repeal section 59 and a parliamentary select committee is hearing submissions.

    Family Integrity is one of several Christian organisations bankrolling a visit by a Swedish lawyer who will argue against removing parents' rights to smack.

    Ruby Harrold-Claeson, who arrives in Auckland today, claims Swedish children have been out of control since smacking was legally removed nearly 50 years ago. She will appear before the justice and electoral select committee next week and is expected to outline 50 cases of Swedish parents who have been "unfairly" prosecuted by police.

    The Swedish law change had "ruined" families and children, she said. "(Children) are incredibly badly behaved. They have no discipline at home and no discipline in schools. I have seen a child kick his father repeatedly and all that man could say was, `You shouldn't do that'."

    Save the Children executive director John Bowis said Ms Harrold-Claeson was disseminating "outright misinformation". "Over a long period of time there is no question there has been a significant reduction in punishment and abuse (in Sweden)."

    Paediatricians called for the repeal of section 59 last week, saying family violence particularly violence toward children was endemic in New Zealand.

    Section 59 has been used successfully in court to defend cases in which parents have used items such as a bamboo cane and a riding crop on children

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    15 minutes? that's crazy
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    I guess they really taking this "turn the other cheek ting serious"

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    i don't know what to say but a goddamn rule chart.
    isn't the wholle processes of being a parent deciding what to do with your kids on your own? but i digress..............................

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    Quote Originally Posted by i2rude4u
    i don't know what to say but a goddamn rule chart.
    isn't the wholle processes of being a parent deciding what to do with your kids on your own? but i digress..............................
    definately not. Its not OK to abuse your child

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val
    15 minutes? that's crazy
    that's abuse right there .... It should take one, no more than two smacks across a child's bottom if you choose to spank.
    anything more is just excessive...Can you imagine someone wacking your tail for that long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val
    15 minutes? that's crazy

    same thing i was saying i was like wtf? dat seriously right there is abuse

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    Guess u can get a manual for anything these days huh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val
    15 minutes? that's crazy

    Not a bad aerobic work out.. make sure you switch hands ever 2 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swervin
    Not a bad aerobic work out.. make sure you switch hands ever 2 minutes.
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    i'll just beat out ah riddim on my child's buttum.

    so val how many kids we want

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutty
    i'll just beat out ah riddim on my child's buttum.

    so val how many kids we want
    none
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreadJockey
    +1....

    spare tha rod spoil the child....



    BEAT YO KIDS ASS!!!


    LMAO @ "if the child is angry after the smack, you have not smacked hard enough"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Xtremist
    +1....

    spare tha rod spoil the child....



    BEAT YO KIDS ASS!!!


    LMAO @ "if the child is angry after the smack, you have not smacked hard enough"

    as denis brown says.
    whip dem
    jah jah
    jah jah
    whip dem wooooiiiii

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