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    Cherokees told to take back slaves' descendants

    TULSA, Okla. (AP) ó A federal order for one of the nation's largest American Indian tribes to restore voting rights and benefits to about 2,800 descendants of members' former slaves threw plans for a special election for a new chief into turmoil Tuesday.

    The federal government sent the sternly-worded letter to the Cherokee Nation after it sent letters last week kicking the descendants out of the tribe and stripping them of benefits including medical care, food stipends and assistance for low-income homeowners.


    The tribe also barred the descendants from voting in a Sept. 24 special election for principal chief. The Cherokee Supreme Court ordered the special election after it said it could not determine with certainty the outcome of a close and hotly contested June election between incumbent Chad Smith and longtime tribal councilman Bill John Baker. The results had flip-flopped between the two during weeks of counts and recounts. Baker had twice been declared winner, but so had Smith.


    The federal government said that unless the descendants, known as freedmen, were allowed to vote, the upcoming election wouldn't be valid.
    "I urge you to consider carefully the nation's next steps in proceeding with an election that does not comply with federal law," Assistant Secretary for Indian Affairs Larry Echo Hawk wrote in letter Friday to acting Chief S. Joe Crittenden. "The department will not recognize any action taken by the nation that is inconsistent with these principles and does not accord its freedmen members full rights of citizenship."


    Crittenden said the special election would take place as scheduled.
    "The Cherokee Nation will not be governed by the (Bureau of Indian Affairs)," he said. "We will hold our election and continue our long legacy of responsible self-governance."


    The election has drawn national interest because while the tribe is based in Tahlequah, many of its 300,000 members live outside Oklahoma.
    The freedmen have asked a federal judge to restore their voting rights before the special election, and a hearing is planned next week in federal court in Washington.


    The tribe never owned black slaves, but some individual members did. They were freed after the Civil War, in which the tribe allied with the Confederacy. An 1866 treaty between the tribe and the federal government gave the freedmen and their descendants "all the rights of native Cherokees."

    More than 76 percent of Cherokee voters approved a 2007 amendment removing the freedmen and other non-Indians from the tribal rolls, but no action was taken until the tribe's Supreme Court upheld the results of that special election last month. Cherokee leaders who backed the amendment, including Smith, said the vote was about the fundamental right of every government to determine its citizens, not about racial exclusion.


    But the Department of the Interior said Tuesday that it still believes the expulsion is unconstitutional because it violates the 1866 treaty.
    Marilyn Vann, president of the Descendants of Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes, said she hopes the federal order will result in the election being delayed.


    "The freedmen people still have rights in the tribe such as voting," Vann said Tuesday. "We'll have our day in court."

    Cherokees told to take back slaves' descendants - CBS News

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    Cherokee Leaders


    Joe Crittenden - Deputy Chief


    Bill John Baker - Tribal Councilman


    Chad Smith - Principal Chief (Incumbent)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Vega View Post
    Cherokee Leaders


    Joe Crittenden - Deputy Chief


    Bill John Baker - Tribal Councilman

    - Principal Chief (Incumbent)


    THESE BASTARDS are about 80% WHITE but have the NERVE to be THROWING OTHERS OUT of the CHEROKEE NATION.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Vega View Post
    Cherokee Leaders



    Bill John Baker - Tribal Councilman
    If this dude is american indian then i'm an eskimo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VINCYPOWA View Post


    THESE BASTARDS are about 80% WHITE, but have the NERVE to be THROWING OTHERS OUT of the CHEROKEE NATION.
    lol...EXACTLY!!!
    BELLY FULL BUT DEM STARVIN'

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    I KNEW SOMETHING was VERY FISHY about this ISSUE.

    WHITE PEOPLE CALLING THEMSELVES CHEROKEES THROWING PEOPLE who are LIKELY MORE CHEROKEE than them OUT of the CHEROKEE NATION.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    ONLY in AMERICA yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dedetriniking View Post
    If this dude is american indian then i'm an eskimo!
    lol..he does have obvious cherokee features...lol..but i think he is mostly white
    BELLY FULL BUT DEM STARVIN'

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    U gonna let VP steal ya thread like that? Took ya pics too..smh

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    ^^^Don't care that much. *shrug* But Picong is supposedly going to merge them.
    Last edited by dollbabi; 09-14-2011 at 10:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Vega View Post
    Cherokee Leaders


    Joe Crittenden - Deputy Chief


    Bill John Baker - Tribal Councilman


    Chad Smith - Principal Chief (Incumbent)


    a million cherokee jokes come to mind!
    Hibernation is a covert preparation for a more overt action.


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    Chad Smith is half Cherokee and married to a full-blood Cherokee. As for the others, read for yourselves:

    How much Cherokee is he?
    7/1/2011 7:35:13 AM

    The older Cherokee lady named as Tribal Councilor Bill John Bakerís great-grandmother on his (campaign) brochure is my great-grandmother, too.

    Ebben, my grandfather; Nancy Osage; Phillip Osage; and Mary Osage are all listed on the Dawes Rolls. Nancy was less than a full blood. She was married approximately five times. One gentleman was a Frenchman by the name of Dubois. Out of that union came Audey Baker, who was less than half Cherokee.

    Audey married a white man, out of which came Tim Baker, who was then less than a fourth Cherokee. Tim married a white woman and had children, so John must be less than an eighth Cherokee.

    My mother is Mary Osage Helton. Sheís 96 and still living. She still talks about how difficult her life was with Audey Baker and John Carey as an aunt and uncle. How little they helped her and her family when they went through difficult times. Nancy Walker was married to men with the following last names: Osage, Dubois, Carey, Leathers and Tiner.

    I may have misspelled a name; something might be slightly incorrect, but if it is, itís not out of trying to tell something thatís not true. I am telling my story from things that I learned from my mother.

    I am writing out of concern for the Cherokee peopleís having the best person to lead them into an unsure future. Rather than being from a family known for self-promotion, I feel that I want someone who has demonstrated a real concern for the Cherokee people to lead the tribe.

    This information was unsolicited. I want the Cherokee people to have the opportunity to know how little Cherokee Mr. Baker really is. In my opinion John Baker needs to make his Certificate Degree of Indian Blood card information public.

    Linda Helton
    Mannford, Okla.

    Editorís Note: Tribal Councilor Bill John Baker is listed in the Cherokee Nation Registration as having one-thirty second degree of Cherokee blood. Former Principal Chief John Ross was listed at one-eighth Cherokee, while Principal Chief W.W. Keeler was also one-thirty second. Former Principal Chief Ross Swimmer is listed as one-quarter, while Wilma Mankiller was half Cherokee. Current Principal Chief Chad Smith is listed at half Cherokee, too. The Cherokee Nation does not have a blood quantum for citizenship or for holding office. Citizens only need to have a Cherokee blood ancestor listed on the Final Dawes Rolls.


    How much Cherokee is he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Vega View Post
    Chad Smith is half Cherokee and married to a full-blood Cherokee. As for the others, read for yourselves:

    yeah, I noticed he doest look as "white" as the rest
    his picture placed with the others though,
    Hibernation is a covert preparation for a more overt action.


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