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    We now know that it was a single police bullet that killed the infant girl in L.A. What do you guys think...justified or reckless homicide?

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    Neverheard of it gimme a link

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    Quote Originally Posted by recess
    We now know that it was a single police bullet that killed the infant girl in L.A. What do you guys think...justified or reckless homicide?
    Couldn't possibly be justified to shoot an infant.

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    Article for you Just Cute

    Child in L.A. Shootout Was Killed by Police, Officials Say

    By JOHN M. BRODER
    Published: July 14, 2005
    LOS ANGELES, July 13 - Facing growing criticism over a shootout on Sunday that left a gunman and his toddler daughter dead, Chief William J. Bratton of the Los Angeles police acknowledged on Tuesday that a shot from a police officer, not the gunman, had killed the child.

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    Chief William J. Bratton of the Los Angeles police, right, before a news conference on Wednesday about a shootout in which two people died.
    The source of the fatal shot had been in dispute, along with other details about the incident in which the father, Jose Raul Pena, 34, held his young daughter, Suzie Marie, in his arms as he repeatedly fired at police officers during a nearly three-hour standoff.

    The child died of a single rifle shot to the head, while Mr. Pena was hit by multiple police bullets, Mr. Bratton said, citing the autopsy. One officer was wounded in the shoulder in the incident at Mr. Pena's auto sales and detailing business in the Watts section of Los Angeles.

    Mr. Pena fired 40 shots in at least three volleys from a 9 millimeter handgun, while police commandos fired 90 bullets, according to official accounts.

    The shooting has raised questions about the police department's use of deadly force and touched off street protests. Chief Bratton has blamed Mr. Pena for the child's death and described him as a "cold-blooded killer" who was high on drugs and alcohol and endangered the lives of family members, bystanders and police officers. The shooting is under investigation by the police department, the independent Los Angeles Police Commission and the district attorney's office.

    While admitting police responsibility for the child's death, Chief Bratton continued to insist that the shooting was justified. He said that a preliminary investigation had found no grounds for filing criminal charges against any officers.

    "It appears that our officers, while engaged in their lawful duties, may have taken her life," he said of 19-month-old Suzie Marie.

    (The Los Angeles coroner's office on Wednesday corrected the girl's age and spelling of her name, which had been given earlier as 17 months and Susie Marie.)

    Lorena Lopez, the dead child's mother and the ex-wife of Mr. Pena, has hired a lawyer to conduct a separate investigation into the killings and to consider a wrongful-death claim against the city.

    The lawyer, Luis Carrillo, took issue with Chief Bratton's characterization of the Lopez family as dysfunctional and said it was part of the Los Angeles Police Department's typical circling of the wagons when a shooting was questioned.

    "He knows the best defense is a good offense, and he's trying to discredit the family, all of the family, to justify the actions of all the police officers," Mr. Carrillo said. "He's trying to avoid the label 'baby killer' so he's pressing a hard line of attack against the family."

    Mr. Carrillo said the police appeared to disregard the safety of the child in their rush to end the standoff.

    "So the question becomes, did they follow proper police tactics in dealing with a potential hostage situation, or did they just blow it," he said.

    The police are also dealing with tension on the streets of Watts, where the shooting took place. On Tuesday evening, 48 hours after the incident, a crowd of 100 gathered outside Mr. Pena's car dealership on Avalon Avenue to pray and protest.

    The demonstration drew several dozen young African-American and Latino men, who briefly disrupted traffic and chanted, "Honk if you hate police brutality."

    The protest was unusual in Los Angeles, where young black and Latino men more often engage in street rivalries than in joint protests, said Najee Ali, a Los Angeles civil rights activist affiliated with the Rev. Al Sharpton's National Action Network.

    "It's unfortunate that it's taken a tragedy to bring black and brown together," Mr. Ali said.

    Suzie Marie's death, he said, was the latest in a long line of controversial shootings by the Los Angeles police. He said he was trying to arrange a meeting of police and civic leaders to discuss ways to avoid similar tragedies. Mr. Ali said he hoped that Mr. Sharpton, who will be in Los Angeles this weekend for other reasons, could attend the session.

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    It was justified. The child father was the one who put his child in danger. The police did everything possible to avoid killing the child

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 Star General
    Couldn't possibly be justified to shoot an infant.
    ...kinda hard to hold your fire when dude firing indiscriminately at the cops...but I kinda conflicted on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bake n Shark
    ...but I kinda conflicted on this.
    Same here. Ah mean damn, single rifle shot tuh de head. Dies ah tuff call. Poor child eh do nothing tuh nobody but den again de way dem police train, it maybe hardcoded in their head to use lethal force once they feel their lives or lives of others are at stake, but when yuh have ah 19 month old baby, it should make yuh think 2x but I dunno, ah going tuh read de article again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRAGON
    It was justified.
    Don't know if ah agree with dat

    The child father was the one who put his child in danger.
    I agree with this

    The police did everything possible to avoid killing the child
    If dies de case den why de child dead?
    Condolences go out tuh de modda!

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    ok he shot at them
    they are wearing bproof vests etc
    did they HAVE to shoot back?
    don't the sharpshooters have training on
    hitting a target from 500 meters?


    this one's tough because no matter what
    the bullet that killed her was a LAPD bullet.

    blame de man all u want, but he did not shoot her. he put her in harm's way yes and for that he's culpable but so are they for shooting her.
    Last edited by elq; 07-14-2005 at 02:52 PM.

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    conflicted

    The father did put the infant in harm. The bullet that hit the child was from a sharp shooter (i assunme highly trained marksmen). I don't know what the PD policy on this type of situation is, but they fired 90 shots (damn!) could this have been treated differently. Like a hostage situation or did they just get a "trigger rush".

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    this is so sad....my condolences go out to the mother

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRAGON
    It was justified. The child father was the one who put his child in danger. The police did everything possible to avoid killing the child
    No need for me to comment.. I feel exactly the same way
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