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    Britainís Black Debt: Reparation for Caribbean Slavery and Native Genocide

    Afro descendants in the Americas won't get reparations, though it should have happened long age, but we can't forget those that benefited. The best solution would be a scenario where a country like Angola owns Portugal economically, or a united Africa becoming a dominant economic power.



    ďBritainís Black Debt: Reparation for Caribbean Slavery and Native GenocideĒ
    Posted by: ivetteromero | May 23, 2013
    Today (May 23, 2013), Campus Principal and Pro Vice Chancellor, Professor Clement Sankat, will host a public lecture and launch of Britainís Black Debt: Reparation for Caribbean Slavery & Native Genocide, a book by Professor Sir Hilary Beckles, at the Daaga Auditorium, University of the West Indies-St. Augustine at 5:30pm.

    Description: Since the mid-nineteenth-century abolition of slavery, the call for reparations for the crime of African enslavement and native genocide has been growing. In the Caribbean, grassroots and official voices now constitute a regional reparations movement. It is a fractured, contentious and divisive call, but it generates considerable public interest.

    Britainís Black Debt is the first scholarly work that looks comprehensively at the reparations discussion in the Caribbean. Author Hilary McD. Beckles is a leading economic historian of the region and a seasoned activist in the wider movement for social justice and advocacy of historical truth, and as such, he is uniquely positioned to explore the origins and development of reparations as a regional and international process. Beckles weaves detailed historical data on Caribbean slavery and the transatlantic slave trade together with legal principles and the politics of postcolonialism, and sets out a solid academic analysis of the evidence. He concludes that Britain has a case of reparations to answer, which the Caribbean should litigate.

    International law provides that chattel slavery as practised by Britain was a crime against humanity. Slavery was invested in by the royal family, the government, the established church, most elite families, and large public institutions in the private and public sector. Citing the legal principles of unjust and criminal enrichment, Beckles presents a compelling argument for Britainís payment of its black debt, a debt that it continues to deny in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

    Britainís Black Debt is at once an exciting narration of Britainís dominance of the slave markets that enriched the economy and a seminal conceptual journey into the hidden politics and public posturing of leaders on both sides of the Atlantic. No work of this kind has ever been attempted. No author has had the diversity of historical research skills, national and international political involvement, and personal engagement as an activist to present such a complex yet accessible work of scholarship.

    Professor Sir Hilary McD. Beckles holds a Chair in Social and Economic History, University of the West Indies-Cave Hill, Barbados, where he is also Principal and Pro-Vice Chancellor. He is Vice-President of the International Scientific Committee for the UNESCO Slave Route Project, and member of the International Advisory Board of the Cultures and Globalization Series. A leading voice on reparations issues, he led the Barbados National Delegation and coordinated Caribbean actions at the UN Conference on Race in Durban, 2001. His many publications including Natural Rebels: A Social History of Enslaved Black Women in Barbados; Centering Woman: Gender Discourses in Caribbean Slave Society; and A History of Barbados: From Amerindian Settlement to Nation-State.

    For more information, see St Augustine Campus News | Welcome to The University of the West Indies at St. Augustine, Trinidad and Tobago
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    what about the countries that were owned by more than just britain, we want reparations from fance also
    i only promote dominica's culture...who vex loss.........

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    Do these people look @ the pathology slavery before they write these white papers.....

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    It's a sticky situation.

    The reparations from people like Germany is different, because they were FULLY responsible for the atrocities that occurred under the Nazi's.

    If we ask for reparations from the European colonial countries, shouldn't we ask from the African ones too? Aren't they even MORE responsible for the horrors that occurred at that time?

    It might seem a silly question, but why are we asking for reparations from one party, but totally ignoring the fact that there are other parties responsible?

    I think reparations is a GOOD idea (esp. in the form of education subsidies and scholarships, as well as funding etc.) BUT it has to be equitable, and how it is now, is certainly NOT equitable

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiguad View Post
    If we ask for reparations from the European colonial countries, shouldn't we ask from the African ones too? Aren't they even MORE responsible for the horrors that occurred at that time?

    It might seem a silly question, but why are we asking for reparations from one party, but totally ignoring the fact that there are other parties responsible?

    I think reparations is a GOOD idea (esp. in the form of education subsidies and scholarships, as well as funding etc.) BUT it has to be equitable, and how it is now, is certainly NOT equitable
    This is a solid argument. Africa would have to pay some form of reparations or give up land or something... Plus the places our ancestors came from were not unified nations, so who would we sue? Senegal to Angola and Mozambique???

    What about the Africans who helped to subdue and/or kill natives?
    In Belize, there are accounts of slaves assisting in displacing and raping the Maya. Many of these slaves were already mixed with Amerindian ancestry themselves.

    What about natives who owned slaves in the U.S.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by antiguad View Post
    It's a sticky situation.

    The reparations from people like Germany is different, because they were FULLY responsible for the atrocities that occurred under the Nazi's.

    If we ask for reparations from the European colonial countries, shouldn't we ask from the African ones too? Aren't they even MORE responsible for the horrors that occurred at that time?

    It might seem a silly question, but why are we asking for reparations from one party, but totally ignoring the fact that there are other parties responsible?

    I think reparations is a GOOD idea (esp. in the form of education subsidies and scholarships, as well as funding etc.) BUT it has to be equitable, and how it is now, is certainly NOT equitable
    that is what i dont get about black people, seriously always tryna fight down we self.....you got it very wrong my friend. secondly who told you the germans were fully responsible for the holocaust? thirdly if jews wanted to get reparations, they would have to pass we some of that money because many of them was responsible for slave trade as well.

    i only promote dominica's culture...who vex loss.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiguad View Post
    It's a sticky situation.

    The reparations from people like Germany is different, because they were FULLY responsible for the atrocities that occurred under the Nazi's.

    If we ask for reparations from the European colonial countries, shouldn't we ask from the African ones too? Aren't they even MORE responsible for the horrors that occurred at that time?

    It might seem a silly question, but why are we asking for reparations from one party, but totally ignoring the fact that there are other parties responsible?

    I think reparations is a GOOD idea (esp. in the form of education subsidies and scholarships, as well as funding etc.) BUT it has to be equitable, and how it is now, is certainly NOT equitable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klang View Post
    that is what i dont get about black people, seriously always tryna fight down we self.....you got it very wrong my friend. secondly who told you the germans were fully responsible for the holocaust? thirdly if jews wanted to get reparations, they would have to pass we some of that money because many of them was responsible for slave trade as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiguad View Post
    It's a sticky situation.

    The reparations from people like Germany is different, because they were FULLY responsible for the atrocities that occurred under the Nazi's.

    If we ask for reparations from the European colonial countries, shouldn't we ask from the African ones too? Aren't they even MORE responsible for the horrors that occurred at that time?

    It might seem a silly question, but why are we asking for reparations from one party, but totally ignoring the fact that there are other parties responsible?

    I think reparations is a GOOD idea (esp. in the form of education subsidies and scholarships, as well as funding etc.) BUT it has to be equitable, and how it is now, is certainly NOT equitable
    Quote Originally Posted by A.K.K.S. View Post
    This is a solid argument. Africa would have to pay some form of reparations or give up land or something... Plus the places our ancestors came from were not unified nations, so who would we sue? Senegal to Angola and Mozambique???

    What about the Africans who helped to subdue and/or kill natives?
    In Belize, there are accounts of slaves assisting in displacing and raping the Maya. Many of these slaves were already mixed with Amerindian ancestry themselves.

    What about natives who owned slaves in the U.S.?

    Ha! it gets hairy

    yeah what about the mullato and free blacks who owned slaves in the western Hemisphere...

    I'm surprised Mr 23andME didn't mention how people took dna tests and shown to descend from the same black muslim slave traders(and white 'christian' ones) that sold and bought them respectively.

    There are history books of several accounts where the Europeans would get the merchants/rivals/captors they bought slaves from drunk from 'hanging out partying with them' and put them on the ship with the ones they sold. They pass out and wake up on the boat in chains. Some descendants of slaves would have to pay themselves back wouldn't they.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A.K.K.S. View Post
    This is a solid argument. Africa would have to pay some form of reparations or give up land or something... Plus the places our ancestors came from were not unified nations, so who would we sue? Senegal to Angola and Mozambique???

    What about the Africans who helped to subdue and/or kill natives?
    In Belize, there are accounts of slaves assisting in displacing and raping the Maya. Many of these slaves were already mixed with Amerindian ancestry themselves.

    What about natives who owned slaves in the U.S.?
    There are continental African families today that are direct beneficiaries of slavery. Their neighbors know how they attained their wealth. However, all of the territories that were instrumental in the slave trade were conquered by Europeans (a fitting price for collaboration?). France and England not only profited from the trade, but they also captured the lands and benefitted from the resources. Furthermore, many quick to point out the role of Africans in slave trade, but the hardly ever mention the ones that fought against it. It just wasn't a passive exchange of goods between two parties, the colonial powers went to war with various African parties because of their resistance. But, we (Africans) don't control the narrative, the west does. The trafficking by Arabs was extensive as well, however, the wealth that transformed Europe came directly from the spoils of the slave labor, and the plundering of Africa and the Americas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seawall View Post
    There are continental African families today that are direct beneficiaries of slavery. Their neighbors know how they attained their wealth. However, all of the territories that were instrumental in the slave trade were conquered by Europeans (a fitting price for collaboration?). France and England not only profited from the trade, but they also captured the lands and benefitted from the resources. Furthermore, many quick to point out the role of Africans in slave trade, but the hardly ever mention the ones that fought against it. It just wasn't a passive exchange of goods between two parties, the colonial powers went to war with various African parties because of their resistance. But, we (Africans) don't control the narrative, the west does. The trafficking by Arabs was extensive as well, however, the wealth that transformed Europe came directly from the spoils of the slave labor, and the plundering of Africa and the Americas.
    This is the sad truth. The Africans assisted in their own future colonisation, by trading us for guns and alchohol. All with the white man's plan to eventually exploit them as well. Why don't black people ever learn? Whether Africa or the Americas. They want us to kill ourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A.K.K.S. View Post
    This is the sad truth. The Africans assisted in their own future colonisation, by trading us for guns and alchohol. All with the white man's plan to eventually exploit them as well. Why don't black people ever learn? Whether Africa or the Americas. They want us to kill ourselves.
    Europeans are masters at exploiting divisions between various peoples. Of course, some are all too willing to make these tactics easier. How about the Amerindians who aided their conquest by the invaders. And the Arabs can't seem to learn from history and unite against the land grabbers (though they played and continue to play the role of imperialists in Africa). There are always collaborators.
    "Every onlooker is either a coward or a traitor." ó Frantz Fanon

    ďIf there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters.Ē Frederick Douglass

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