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Old 11-04-2009, 04:53 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by dedetriniking View Post
MJ...Just to throw some context into the stew. Toppa Toppa is into white fellas eh. Not passing judgement eh....i'm just saying..
Right...and what does what I'm supposedly "in to" have to do with the merit of what I'm trying to say?

What does "context" have to do with her having a problem with someone taking issue with her being against Inter racial relationship and not seeing the irony (from some else's perspective) of getting married to some of a different background?
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:57 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by toppa_toppa View Post
you cite a common bond? All humans originated in africa so by your own reasoning there should be no issue with white/black relationships or any other sort of so-called "inter racial" relationship. In my experience, i felt no special bond with african americans - they were just americans to me and at an interpersonal level my interactions with them are no different from my interactions with an asian american or european american...some people i'll get a long very well with, some people i won't.

At a deeper level the resoning for your "disdain" also has no bearing becaue relations between persons on the african continent and without, although of the same skin colour and other phenotypical markers, cannot be characterised as being one of commonality, equality and love. That's a very "romanticised" and blatantly false portrayal.

What perplexes me most though, is your insistence that cultural differences "can easily be worked out" but, the fact that one person has more or less melanin than the other is in your opinion, insurmountable.




I fully agree and this, therefore, does not exclude people of different hues forming relationships.
yeah toppa... When you can wipe the last four hundred years from the history books you can talk like if history has no effect on traditions and the pysche of entire groups of people. Just because you choose to act as if human beings should live in the here and now doesn't mean that mj should do the same. Her point of view is just as valid as yours. And this is coming from a trini who has no issues with interracial couples.
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:57 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Toppa_Toppa View Post
You cite a common bond? All humans originated in Africa so by your own reasoning there should be no issue with White/Black relationships or any other sort of so-called "inter racial" relationship. In my experience, I felt no special bond with African Americans - they were just Americans to me and at an interpersonal level my interactions with them are no different from my interactions with an Asian American or European American...some people I'll get a long very well with, some people I won't.

At a deeper level the resoning for your "disdain" also has no bearing becaue relations between persons on the African Continent and without, although of the same skin colour and other phenotypical markers, cannot be characterised as being one of commonality, equality and love. That's a very "romanticised" and blatantly false portrayal.

What perplexes me most though, is your insistence that cultural differences "can easily be worked out" but, the fact that one person has more or less melanin than the other is in your opinion, insurmountable.




I fully agree and this, therefore, does not exclude people of different hues forming relationships.

Right now, on the basis of how we define race and relationship; there is a cultural divide. Your analysis, although intelligent, lacks the realization that whites have been violent toward Black people, and dismissing that fact, makes me conclude, that in your ambition to engage in relationships with them(whites),it is more so a coping mechanism, as well as a dismissal of the fact, that for many people of African ancestry; history, imagery and the context of social contact, also have a profound affect on their willingness or rejection of those of European descent.

Yes, man originated from Africa, but that is the spiritual quandary as relates to why slavery was used as a vice to oppress the first man who is of darker hue by so called African bretheren of a lighter hue.

Is this just sibling rivalry?

The first man ever born was a murderer(Cain) according to the Bible.

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Originally Posted by Triniminx View Post
I really doh see how di ass she is bi-racial and want to lecture somebody about inter-racial dating....WTF??!!
The thread starter is the one who has a problem with inter racial dating, not the bi-racial chick.
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I can't believe she taking and running with dede statement jusso

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Originally Posted by Toppa_Toppa View Post
The thread starter is the one who has a problem with inter racial dating, not the bi-racial chick.
Right. Again...the biracial chick has an issue with me dating a Jamaican and she feels that I'm a hypocrite because I won't or don't support interracial relationships.

Is this starting to sound like we're talking in circles?

I'm getting dizzy.

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i can't believe she taking and running with dede statement jusso

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in effect i'm defending both points of view.
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Originally Posted by Triniminx View Post
I really doh see how di ass she is bi-racial and want to lecture somebody about inter-racial dating....WTF??!!
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yeah toppa... When you can wipe the last four hundred years from the history books you can talk like if history has no effect on traditions and the pysche of entire groups of people. Just because you choose to act as if human beings should live in the here and now doesn't mean that mj should do the same. Her point of view is just as valid as yours. And this is coming from a trini who has no issues with interracial couples.
You are missing the point spectacularly. I am not advocating inter racial relationships. I am just pointing out her flawed and romanticised reasoning. You cannot expect some kind of automatic solidarity just because two people happen tobe of the same complexion (as hat could included a lot of people from completely differen backgrounds).

Anyway, I was simply explaing to her why the other girl thought she was something of a hypocrite, an assertion I don't think is far off the mark, honestly. You can't expect people to see things only one way and your way is not always going to be seen as right. Just because you might have a problem with one thing does not mean other people HAVE to feel the same way. Conversely, just because you may not see the big deal with inter-cultural/inter-religious, inter-whatever relationships, does not mean that everyone if going to feel the same way. Fact is, apart from North America and parts of Europe, religion and culture play a much more important role than so-called race. Ever heard of honour killings? Ever heard of sons and daughters being disowned for marry someone of a different religion, or ethnicity? Nigerian friends of mine who are Igbo said they would never let their daughter marry an non-Igbo because those others are of "bad character". To me and you all Nigerians are "Black", right? Who has a more "common bond" than all "Black" people in African, right?
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Originally Posted by Toppa_Toppa View Post
Right...and what does what I'm supposedly "in to" have to do with the merit of what I'm trying to say?

What does "context" have to do with her having a problem with someone taking issue with her being against Inter racial relationship and not seeing the irony (from some else's perspective) of getting married to some of a different background?
I see perfectly well why logics kicking yuh ass in the LSAT...

She has a problem because the person is accusing her of being a hypocrite on the grounds that she is against inter-RACIAL relationships but is in a inter-CULTURAL relationship when there is no recognizable double standard there at all. Its fairly simple: she has her opinion on relationships between people of different races but has nothing against relationships between people of different cultures. The fact that someone thinks there is a double standard there belies some perception that Jamaican men are of a different race.
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Originally Posted by dedetriniking View Post
in effect i'm defending both points of view.
not about you... i agreed with one of your statements but the fact she using your statement about toppa to break down her pov when there's no proof the statement is even true just looks _________.
"ambition to engage in relationships with whites is a coping mechanism" wow smh
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You are missing the point spectacularly. I am not advocating inter racial relationships. I am just pointing out her flawed and romanticised reasoning. You cannot expect some kind of automatic solidarity just because two people happen tobe of the same complexion (as hat could included a lot of people from completely differen backgrounds).

Anyway, I was simply explaing to her why the other girl thought she was something of a hypocrite, an assertion I don't think is far off the mark, honestly. You can't expect people to see things only one way and your way is not always going to be seen as right. Just because you might have a problem with one thing does not mean other people HAVE to feel the same way. Conversely, just because you may not see the big deal with inter-cultural/inter-religious, inter-whatever relationships, does not mean that everyone if going to feel the same way. Fact is, apart from North America and parts of Europe, religion and culture play a much more important role than so-called race. Ever heard of honour killings? Ever heard of sons and daughters being disowned for marry someone of a different religion, or ethnicity? Nigerian friends of mine who are Igbo said they would never let their daughter marry an non-Igbo because those others are of "bad character". To me and you all Nigerians are "Black", right? Who has a more "common bond" than all "Black" people in African, right?
Its one thing to disagree with her issues on inter-racial relationships. Its entirely something else to say that, based on her issues with people getting together of different races she should then also have a problem with people of different cultures getting together. There is no hypocrisy in situation.
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Right now, on the basis of how we define race and relationship; there is a cultural divide. Your analysis, although intelligent, lacks the realization that whites have been violent toward Black people, and dismissing that fact, makes me conclude that in your ambition to engage in relationships with them(whites)it is a coping mechanism as well as a dismissal of the fact that for many people of African ancestory; history, imagery and the context of social contact, also have a profound affect on their willingness or rejection of those of European descent.

Yes, man originated from Africa, but that is the spiritual quandary as relates to why slavery was used as a vice to oppress the first man who is of darker hue by so called African bretheren of a lighter hue.

Is this just sibling rivalry?

The first man ever born was a murderer(Cain) according to the Bible.


And Black people aren't violent against Black people? White people aren't violent against White people? Coping mechanism? Please, let's not venture into the realm of the ridiculous.
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Its one thing to disagree with her issues on inter-racial relationships. Its entirely something else to say that, based on her issues with people getting together of different races she should then also have a problem with people of different cultures getting together. There is no hypocrisy in situation.
Another one missing the point. I know you take a while to catch up, so I won't respond to you at this moment.
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Originally Posted by Toppa_Toppa View Post
Another one missing the point. I know you take a while to catch up, so I won't respond to you at this moment.
I happen to know you have no point. Yuh just trying your darnedest to complete the entire issue.

MJ07 is not kosher with inter-racial relationship because of RACE.

MJ07 is fine with inter-cultural relationships as long as its between people of the same RACE.

Some girl said that MJ07s stance is hypocritical. Meaning there exists a double standard. Meaning that her one opinion on inter-racial relationships contradicts her opinion on inter-cultural relationships.

The girl who thinks that (and anyone else who thinks that) is wrong. End of story.

Now if you disagree with MJ07s opinion on inter-racial relationships then thats an entirely different argument.
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