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    Exclamation Ban of Religious Symbols in Quebec

    Charter of Quebec values would ban religious symbols for civil servants - Montreal - CBC News


    Public employees would not be allowed to wear overt religious symbols at work under the proposed charter of Quebec values, released by the Parti Québécois today.

    A diagram from the charter of Quebec values website illustrating banned overt religious symbols for public employees. (http://www.nosvaleurs.gouv.qc.ca)A diagram from the charter of Quebec values website illustrating permitted religious symbols for public employees. (La Charte des valeurs####québécoises####| Cinq propositions)
    The minister in charge of the charter, Bernard Drainville, announced at the national assembly that if the charter were adopted by the legislature, the wearing of kippas, turbans, burkas, hijabs and "large" crosses would be banned for civil servants while they are on the job.

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    “If the state is neutral, those working for the state should be equally neutral in their image,” said Drainville.

    The plan would apply to judges, police, prosecutors, public daycare workers, teachers, school employees, hospital workers and municipal personnel.

    Drainville said some institutions and public organizations might be able to opt out of the ban for a five-year period.

    However, he said, daycare workers, elementary school teachers and early-care providers would not be eligible for the opt-out.

    The charter would also require that anyone who received or administers services from the state would have to uncover their face.

    "People have to be identifiable, mainly for security purposes," said Drainville.

    The charter would include five proposals:

    Amend the Quebec Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms.
    Establish a duty of neutrality and reserve for all state personnel.
    Limit the wearing of conspicuous religious symbols.
    Make it mandatory to have one’s face uncovered when providing or receiving a state service.
    Establish an implementation policy for state organizations.
    Drainville said elected members of the national assembly will not be subject to the regulations.

    Though no timeline has been announced, the bill is expected to be tabled sometime in the coming months.

    Creating trouble, Liberals and NDP say
    Federal Liberal Party Leader Justin Trudeau said this afternoon that Premier Pauline Marois is trying to create tension between the federal and provincial governments with the proposed charter.

    “Madame Marois has a plan. She has an agenda. She’s trying to play divisive identity politics because it seems to be the only thing that is able to distract from the serious economic challenges that we’re facing as a province and as a country,” Trudeau said.

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    “But Quebecers and Canadians are better than that.”

    He said he expects Quebecers to push back against the proposed charter.

    Last week, provincial Liberal Leader Philippe Couillard told CBC News the PQ was purposely trying to create trouble in Quebec.

    RELIGION IN QUEBECHow citizens of the two major cities identify themselves
    “It creates division and I’m afraid this is the objective here,” he said.

    NDP leader and Montreal MP Tom Mulcair said in August that he doubted the PQ could pull off a proposal such as this one.

    At the time, he compared the proposed ban on religious symbols to Marois musing last year about requiring language tests for candidates in municipal elections.

    "And I said, look, it's so patently unconstitutional they'll never do it. And guess what? It was so patently unconstitutional, they never did it," Mulcair said.

    When asked this afternoon about his position now that the PQ had formally announced its charter, he said that he would fight it.

    "Last year, I remember being asked to react when Madame Marois mused, in time for the provincial election, about having language tests to run in a municipal election. Of course it was absurd and I said they'd never do it. And guess what? It was absurd, it was illegal, unconsitutional and, of course, they never did it, but she provoked the reaction she wanted," Mulcair said.

    "She was sending a signal — a low frequency signal to her base."

    He said there was chronic, systemic discrimination in the province, and that it was "intolerable" and "unbelievable" to him that a woman who wears a headscarf and who works as an educator could lose her job.

    PQ needs other parties' support
    As a minority government, the party needs the support of some of its opponents to pass any legislation tied to the proposed charter.

    But members of opposing parties have expressed deep concern about the language the PQ has used to explain the charter.

    The premier has been under fire ever since those details were leaked in August.

    On the defensive, Marois has tried to explain why the charter’s aim at religious symbols in public institutions and the workplace was important to the PQ and to the province.

    She told the French-language newspaper Le Devoir in an interview that people in England had turned to violence because the country lacked a sense of identity.

    Marois also said women who wore hijabs and who worked in daycares could be in a position to incite children to practise religion.

    Poll suggests growing support
    An online poll released today suggests public support is growing for the charter in Quebec.

    The survey conducted by SOM, one of the largest survey firms in Quebec, pegs support for a secular charter that would ban religious symbols for public employees at 66 per cent.

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    A poll conducted two weeks ago by Léger Marketing for le Journal de Montréal found support to be 58 per cent.

    And the PQ is already moving to garner public support. CBC News reporter Sean Henry saw ads promoting the charter in the Montreal Metro on Tuesday afternoon.
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    they're trying to hard to be France with this laïcité bullsh!te
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    Why is it bull?
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    I don't agree with it except that your face should be uncovered at least to verify your identity. A woman can request another female to check her ID with her face. Otherwise, you can get one ID and use it for all of your friends. Apart from that, it is discriminatory.

    Personally, I like to know what religion people practice. They should stamp it on their foreheads so that I know how to deal with them.

    j/k of course

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    Personally I agree with the idea of the charter and I find that does not go deep enough. However, I do not like how it was brought up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poca! View Post
    Personally I agree with the idea of the charter and I find that does not go deep enough. However, I do not like how it was brought up.
    So if I'm a Sikh and I want to work for the civil service, I have to violate my religion by taking off my turban in order to do so? Or if it's Ash wednesday and I'm an observant Catholic I can't get ashes and then come to work? What about wedding bands or the dot that some hindu women wear when they get married?

    I understand prohibiting people from evangelising/proselytising if they work in the public sector but where do they draw the line? And since when was the state able to impose "values" on the people?

    The government should be focused on making people feel included and accepted in society, not forcing people to be homogenised to a standard of appearance that favours one aesthetic over others. This is utter nonsense.
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    I personally feel that there should be no religious signs in public none whatsoever. Whether it's from public servents or the general public. To me religion is something that is to be practiced in private and that should remain private.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poca! View Post
    I personally feel that there should be no religious signs in public none whatsoever. Whether it's from public servents or the general public. To me religion is something that is to be practiced in private and that should remain private.
    get rid of the places named after saints in quebec then, get rid of christmas and good friday holiday. get rid of government funding for religious schools, if you going to do this, they got to go all out
    i only promote dominica's culture...who vex loss.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poca! View Post
    I personally feel that there should be no religious signs in public none whatsoever. Whether it's from public servents or the general public. To me religion is something that is to be practiced in private and that should remain private.
    I have to respectfully disagree. There is no such thing as practicing your religion in private unless you are an obeah man. Your religion is who you are and it affects all of your every day activities.

    When a Muslim woman wears a hijab, should she do that only in private? In private is the only time she is allowed to go without the hijab.

    Do you practice Christmas in private?

    Should a Sikh only wear his turban in private?

    Should a religious Jew only wear his kippah in private?

    I am very confused by your response.

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    Luckily it's only the province of Quebec muttering this nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klang View Post
    get rid of the places named after saints in quebec then, get rid of christmas and good friday holiday. get rid of government funding for religious schools, if you going to do this, they got to go all out
    Exactly!

    As a matter of fact, I just found this online:

    Quebec

    Most retailers are NOT allowed to open during the following Holidays;
    January 1st
    Easter Sunday
    June 24th
    July 1st
    the first Monday in September
    December 25th

    To inquire about which types of retail operations are exempt from the act, please refer to the Act respecting hours and days of admission to commercial establishments below or call Developpement economique Innovation et Exportation Commerce Branch at (514) 499-2176.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB View Post
    Luckily it's only the province of Quebec muttering this nonsense.
    If it passes, others will follow. Maybe BC and Ontario since those most likely have the most diversity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamaicangirl View Post
    If it passes, others will follow. Maybe BC and Ontario since those most likely have the most foreigners....
    probably not because they operate under different laws than the rest of Canada.
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    Obviously since it's from Quebec the ROC has to oppose it. However, the idea is simply that you can be whatever religion you want to be, just keep it to yourself. Religion shouldn't separate people and the best way to prevent that is to remove all sign in public places. They decided to allow exceptions but I seriously think that this should be applied to everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamaicangirl View Post
    Exactly!

    As a matter of fact, I just found this online:

    Quebec

    Most retailers are NOT allowed to open during the following Holidays;
    January 1st
    Easter Sunday
    June 24th
    July 1st
    the first Monday in September
    December 25th

    To inquire about which types of retail operations are exempt from the act, please refer to the Act respecting hours and days of admission to commercial establishments below or call Developpement economique Innovation et Exportation Commerce Branch at (514) 499-2176.
    you seet
    i only promote dominica's culture...who vex loss.........

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