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Old 11-25-2005, 12:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Y did the Gentiles recieve the word of God from PAul?

Using scriptures please can anyone show why this was done?

Was this out of the Blue? Scripture please

and what role did the jews play in this happening? Scriptures please
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Old 11-27-2005, 03:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 11-27-2005, 03:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by saveoursoca
Using scriptures please can anyone show why this was done?

Was this out of the Blue? Scripture please

and what role did the jews play in this happening? Scriptures please

Well you know my opinion. I think Paul made up his part of the religion. I just go by what the apostles were taught directly from jesus. LOL.
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Old 11-27-2005, 10:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Otorongo
Well you know my opinion. I think Paul made up his part of the religion. I just go by what the apostles were taught directly from jesus. LOL.
I now thats what u think I remember us going into it before.
But its definately not made up and as a matter of fact it was told it will by moses Paul works would happen.
So im looking to see who knows why it happened.
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Old 11-27-2005, 10:40 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by saveoursoca
I now thats what u think I remember us going into it before.
But its definately not made up and as a matter of fact it was told it will by moses Paul works would happen.
So im looking to see who knows why it happened.
yeah, so you claim. To each his own.
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Old 11-27-2005, 10:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Otorongo
yeah, so you claim. To each his own.
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but unlike u there are those who hold Pauls word very dear I want to now if they know why he had to do what he did. Must be able to say y he did what he did if u taking it on and accepting it. Dont u think?
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Originally Posted by saveoursoca
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but unlike u there are those who hold Pauls word very dear I want to now if they know why he had to do what he did. Must be able to say y he did what he did if u taking it on and accepting it. Dont u think?
Good luck on your search.
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Originally Posted by Otorongo
Good luck on your search.
Ill be happy if i get one response
But im trying to show hotgirl something by asking this question
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Old 11-28-2005, 12:20 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by saveoursoca
Using scriptures please can anyone show why this was done?

Was this out of the Blue? Scripture please

and what role did the jews play in this happening? Scriptures please
Eph 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Why did Paul refer to this as a "mystery"? What was so puzzling about this?
Deu 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Joh 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
Act 10:27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
"Into [Paul's] life had come the revelation of the great secret of God. That secret was that the love and mercy and grace of God were meant not for the Jews alone but for all mankind. . . . In the ancient world the barriers were complete. No one had ever dreamed that God's privileges were for all people." —William Barclay, The Letters to the Galatians and Ephesians (Edinburgh: Saint Andrew Press, 1976), pp. 122, 123.
Years ago American patriot Thomas Jefferson wrote the famous words, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. . . ." However nice the sentiment, history shows that this view was anything but "self-evident." On the contrary, all through history various groups believed themselves greater than, and superior to, other nations and people. This idea was so ingrained that even the ancient Israelites—who should have known better because of the revelation given them by God—were contaminated with this sense of self-superiority. Hence, someone as bright, as diligent, and as studious as Paul needed a divine revelation to purge him of his native prejudices. For him, the idea that Jews and Gentiles would be one was so incredible that he deemed it a "mystery," a concept hard for most of us today to grasp (Why should this be a "mystery"?), because, in our day and age, these kinds of ethnic and national and cultural concepts of superiority, though existing, are looked down upon. Even if someone were to think themselves better than others because of their nationality or race or culture, it's considered in very bad taste to express such a view. Thus, only as we come to understand a bit of the mind-set of Paul's time can we grasp just how radical this idea of unity between Jews and Gentiles was to him. -LESSON 7, Sunday, November 6, 2005, SDA Quarterly.
It's sad, but this really should not have been a "mystery". The promise was made and the message was clear from the very beginning.
Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

Isa 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

sa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

Jer 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Zec 8:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
Contrary to what we typically believe (even I thought the same thing), Paul was not the first apostle sent to the Gentiles. Rather, it was Peter. As you read Acts 10, one can begin to see the prejudices so deeply engrained in the Jews. Peter was a bigot! But he only "was" a bigot. It took him time to overcome much of that arrogance and prejudice and spread the "good news" to non-Jews. Even so, he still held on to appearances whenever he was in the company of Jews, for which Paul confronted him (Gal 2). Paul's calling as an apostle of Christ was in itself spectacular. His biography should have served as a POWERFUL witness to Jew and Gentile alike.
Act 8:3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.

Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
Act 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul (Later renamed, Paul).
Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
Many unrelenting, hardhearted Jews wanted nothing to do with this perceived Messianic sect. They were still waiting on the Messiah that was to return as a conquering King to overthrow their enemies. Following the stoning of Stephen, of which Paul was involved in the extermination of the Christians, the message was now to go beyond the Jews. When Jesus commanded that the apostles go "not into the way of the Gentiles", it wasn't because He loved them less. It's something any evangelist already knows. Many an evangelist is accused of "sheep steeling". That's because the easiest man to convince is the one that has already heard or knows something about the Word of God. Notwithstanding their pre-existing knowledge of the promise of the Messiah, the Jews rejected the gospel. They weren't abandoned, but the concentration of the evangelical effort was now to go beyond Israel.

I'll leave with this. Paul's conversion from persecutor to believer is told in Acts 9. The book of Acts was not written by Paul, but rather Luke, the physician, the historian.
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Old 11-28-2005, 09:09 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Otorongo
I think Paul made up his part of the religion.

I agree with you on this, except you think. I know he did, all you have to do is read his works!
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Old 11-28-2005, 10:40 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by CaribNVA
I agree with you on this, except you think. I know he did, all you have to do is read his works!
I've read it, and see no evidence where Paul's writing is in contradiction to the rest of the Scriptures or the teachings of Christ. So in my opinion, there are no grounds to claim that Paul's calling/teaching is "made up" by Paul. From Scripture, are you able to show us otherwise?
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