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~Ms. Classy Lady~ · 12-08-2005, 03:11 PM

I was wondering...U kno how they say god created the heaven and earth and adam and all that stuff in genesis? Who wrote that? There was no one else in existence except adam and eve so who was the reporter?

Soca Taliban · 12-08-2005, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by fntsy19

I was wondering...U kno how they say god created the heaven and earth and adam and all that stuff in genesis? Who wrote that? There was no one else in existence except adam and eve so who was the reporter?

Actually Moses wrote Genesis.

Light360 · 12-08-2005, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Soca Taliban

Actually Moses wrote Genesis.

Can you provide evidence to that, please.

Agony · 12-08-2005, 03:30 PM

I wasn't there when the Declaration of Indepence was written. I was told by historians who weren't there. For all I know, it could all be one compounded lie. So for Genesis, could it just very well be that the preponderence of information as scholars for centuries have put the texts under the literary and historical microscope, have lead us to conclude that Moses wrote it? After all, the other authors in the Bible attribute the writing to him.

Genesis - commentary by Adam Clarke

Every believer in Divine revelation finds himself amply justified in taking for granted that the Pentateuch is the work of Moses. For more than 3000 years this has been the invariable opinion of those who were best qualified to form a correct judgment on this subject. The Jewish Church, from its most remote antiquity, has ascribed the work to no other hand; and the Christian Church, from its foundation, has attributed it to the Jewish lawgiver alone. The most respectable heathens have concurred in this testimony, and Jesus Christ and his apostles have completed the evidence, and have put the question beyond the possibility of being doubted by those who profess to believe the Divine authenticity of the New Testament. As to those who, in opposition to all these proofs, obstinately persist in their unbelief, they are worthy of little regard, as argument is lost on their unprincipled prejudices, and demonstration on their minds, because ever willfully closed against the light. When they have proved that Moses is not the author of this work, the advocates of Divine revelation will reconsider the grounds of their faith.

That there are a few things in the Pentateuch which seem to have been added by a later hand there can be little doubt; among these some have reckoned, perhaps without reason, the following passage, Gen_12:6 : “And the Canaanite was then in the land”; but see the note on Gen_12:6. Num_21:14, “In the book of the wars of the Lord,” was probably a marginal note, which in process of time got into the text; see the note on Num_21:14. To these may be added DeuteronomyDeu_1:1-5; Deu_2:12; and the eight concluding verses of the last chapter, in which we have an account of the death of Moses. These last words could not have been added by Moses himself, but are very probably the work of Ezra, by whom, according to uninterrupted tradition among the Jews, the various books which constitute the canon of the Old Testament were collected and arranged, and such expository notes added as were essential to connect the different parts; but as he acted under Divine inspiration, the additions may be considered of equal authority with the text. A few other places might be added, but they are of little importance, and are mentioned in the notes.

The book of Genesis, Γενεσις, has its name from the title it bears in the Septuagint, βιβλος Γενεσεως, (Gen_2:4), which signifies the book of the Generation; but it is called in Hebrew בראשית Bereshith, “In the beginning,” from its initial word. It is the most ancient history in the world; and, from the great variety of its singular details and most interesting accounts, is as far superior in its value and importance to all others, as it is in its antiquity. This book contains an account of the creation of the world, and its first inhabitants; the original innocence and fall of man; the rise of religion; the invention of arts; the general corruption and degeneracy of mankind; the universal deluge; the repeopling and division of the earth; the origin of nations and kingdoms; and a particular history of the patriarchs from Adam down to the death of Joseph; including a space, at the lowest computation, of 2369 years.
It may be asked how a detail so circumstantial and minute could have been preserved when there was no writing of any kind, and when the earth, whose history is here given, had already existed more than 2000 years. To this inquiry a very satisfactory answer may be given. There are only three ways in which these important records could have been preserved and brought down to the time of Moses: viz., writing, tradition, and Divine revelation. In the antediluvian world, when the life of man was so protracted, there was comparatively little need for writing of any kind, and perhaps no alphabetical writing then existed. Tradition answered every purpose to which writing in any kind of characters could be subservient; and the necessity of erecting monuments to perpetuate public events could scarcely have suggested itself, as during those times there could be little danger apprehended of any important fact becoming obsolete, as its history had to pass through very few hands, and all these friends and relatives in the most proper sense of the terms; for they lived in an insulated state under a patriarchal government.

Thus it was easy for Moses to be satisfied of the truth of all he relates in the book of Genesis, as the accounts came to him through the medium of very few persons. From Adam to Noah there was but one man necessary to the correct transmission of the history of this period of 1656 years. Now this history was, without doubt, perfectly known to Methuselah, who lived to see them both. In like manner Shem connected Noah and Abraham, having lived to converse with both; as Isaac did with Abraham and Joseph, from whom these things might be easily conveyed to Moses by Amram, who was contemporary with Joseph. Supposing, then, all the curious facts recorded in the book of Genesis had no other authority than the tradition already referred to, they would stand upon a foundation of credibility superior to any that the most reputable of the ancient Greek and Latin historians can boast. Yet to preclude all possibility of mistake, the unerring Spirit of God directed Moses in the selection of his facts and the ascertaining of his dates. Indeed, the narrative is so simple, so much like truth, so consistent everywhere with itself, so correct in its dates, so impartial in its biography, so accurate in its philosophical details, so pure in its morality, and so benevolent in its design, as amply to demonstrate that it never could have had an earthly origin. In this case, also, Moses constructed every thing according to the pattern which God showed him in the mount.

SpArkLe · 12-08-2005, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Queen of Sanity

Can you provide evidence to that, please.

All Books of the bible was inspired by GOD

Just_Cute · 12-08-2005, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Soca Taliban

Actually Moses wrote Genesis.

Please read the part where is says "All scripture is given by inspiration"... nobody had to "be there" to write the events God inspired them. Moses wrote all the earlier books.. so i think it's okay to say he wrote Genesis..

Light360 · 12-08-2005, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Agony

I wasn't there when the Declaration of Indepence was written. I was told by historians who weren't there. For all I know, it could all be one compounded lie. So for Genesis, could it just very well be that the preponderence of information as scholars for centuries have put the texts under the literary and historical microscope, have lead us to conclude that Moses wrote it? After all, the other authors in the Bible attribute the writing to him.

"It may be asked how a detail so circumstantial and minute could have been preserved when there was no writing of any kind, and when the earth, whose history is here given, had already existed more than 2000 years. To this inquiry a very satisfactory answer may be given. There are only three ways in which these important records could have been preserved and brought down to the time of Moses: viz., writing, tradition, and Divine revelation. In the antediluvian world, when the life of man was so protracted, there was comparatively little need for writing of any kind, and perhaps no alphabetical writing then existed. Tradition answered every purpose to which writing in any kind of characters could be subservient; and the necessity of erecting monuments to perpetuate public events could scarcely have suggested itself, as during those times there could be little danger apprehended of any important fact becoming obsolete, as its history had to pass through very few hands, and all these friends and relatives in the most proper sense of the terms; for they lived in an insulated state under a patriarchal government."

So basically this commentary is saying that the hieroglyphics that our Kemetic ancestors have engraved in stone hold no importance?

Light360 · 12-08-2005, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Just_Cute

Please read the part where is says "All scripture is given by inspiration"... nobody had to "be there" to write the events God inspired them. Moses wrote all the earlier books.. so i think it's okay to say he wrote Genesis..

I know how to read. You THINK its okay or do you KNOW he wrote it?

Just_Cute · 12-08-2005, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Queen of Sanity

I know how to read. You THINK its okay or do you KNOW he wrote it?

Ummmm all I was doing was backing up my reasoning with a scripture because I believe somebody said he wasn't there.... I never insulted your reading abilities but....

No I don't KNOW tht he wrote it... scholars have said he wrote the earlier works such as Jobe Genesis etc. And it would seem feasible (sp) since he actually withnessed exedos (the comandments) That he wrote the book that came before it.. (that's my reasoning not gospel) .. however again

Agony · 12-08-2005, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Queen of Sanity

So basically this commentary is saying that the hieroglyphics that our Kemetic ancestors have engraved in stone hold no importance?

There is no proof of any writing prior to the flood, only paleontological assumption.

Just_Cute · 12-08-2005, 04:53 PM

Deu 30:19 ... I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; ... but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.Have you read the Book? There will be a test. -God

But that is my moms favorite scrpiture..

Light360 · 12-08-2005, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Just_Cute

Ummmm all I was doing was backing up my reasoning with a scripture because I believe somebody said he wasn't there.... I never insulted your reading abilities but....

No I don't KNOW tht he wrote it... scholars have said he wrote the earlier works such as Jobe Genesis etc. And it would seem feasible (sp) since he actually withnessed exedos (the comandments) That he wrote the book that came before it.. (that's my reasoning not gospel) .. however again

don't mind me. just being difficult and no insult taken.

See my sig.

saveoursoca · 12-08-2005, 10:25 PM

Do we know who write the Gospels? No we dont
There are a few books we dont know who wrote them.
INspiration by God is definately what I can hold onto.
The books of Moses I Dont think were written by Moses.

One main reason is because How did moses write his death in Deuteronomy?
The books were inspired bY God. U can keep looking for who write them. Ill look for what is in it before my eyes.

~Ms. Classy Lady~ · 12-09-2005, 02:25 PM

I say that because if u study other civilizations account of how life began its different. Try the latin account(Inca's, Mayan's etc) The African(Bantu's etc.) The Islamics and the christians. They are all different to some extent but in the christian bible it says god created the heavens and earth adam and eve were supposedly the first human beings. Moses didn't come into existence until years later. You say moses wrote the book of genesis. Was god telling him the story? Even though moses didn't mention his Own Name in Genesis. I don't think he can write his own death into the book. Someone else would have to have done that.

Agony · 12-09-2005, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by fntsy19

I say that because if u study other civilizations account of how life began its different. Try the latin account(Inca's, Mayan's etc) The African(Bantu's etc.) The Islamics and the christians. They are all different to some extent but in the christian bible it says god created the heavens and earth adam and eve were supposedly the first human beings. Moses didn't come into existence until years later. You say moses wrote the book of genesis. Was god telling him the story? Even though moses didn't mention his Own Name in Genesis. I don't think he can write his own death into the book. Someone else would have to have done that.

Someone else did do that. Theologians believe that Ezra may have written Moses death into the final record to preserve the sequence. As such, it does not make nullify the Divine inspiration of the authors.

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

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12-08-2005, 04:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
Just_Cute Silent Notches Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 4,706 Credits: 1,378	Deu 30:19 ... I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; ... but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.Have you read the Book? There will be a test. -God But that is my moms favorite scrpiture..

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saveoursoca Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: flatbush Posts: 7,366 Credits: 6,460	Do we know who write the Gospels? No we dont There are a few books we dont know who wrote them. INspiration by God is definately what I can hold onto. The books of Moses I Dont think were written by Moses. One main reason is because How did moses write his death in Deuteronomy? The books were inspired bY God. U can keep looking for who write them. Ill look for what is in it before my eyes.

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~Ms. Classy Lady~ Freedom Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Land of Intolerance Posts: 7,614 Credits: 46,592	I say that because if u study other civilizations account of how life began its different. Try the latin account(Inca's, Mayan's etc) The African(Bantu's etc.) The Islamics and the christians. They are all different to some extent but in the christian bible it says god created the heavens and earth adam and eve were supposedly the first human beings. Moses didn't come into existence until years later. You say moses wrote the book of genesis. Was god telling him the story? Even though moses didn't mention his Own Name in Genesis. I don't think he can write his own death into the book. Someone else would have to have done that.

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