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soca_souljah · 06-23-2006, 06:20 PM

Obeah
Obeah, as practiced in Jamaica and the Caribbean, takes the USE OF and KNOWLEDGE OF ancient occult powers orginally handed down over the centuries by word of mouth from the remnants of a once very powerful and celebrated religious order in remote ages, now lost in the mist of time, and combines it with Shamanism --- as practiced mostly by tribal people who spoke Ashanti from West Africa --- Sorcery, Voudon (Voodoo), and witchcraft.
It is a dying breed shrouded in secrecy known and practiced only by a select few. Even fewer ever truly enter the ranks of Obeah and able to successfully wield its will and awesome scope unscathed. An Obeahman can use ANY system and fuel it with the power of Obeah without the danger of disrespect FOR the gods, but, depending on circumstances, not necessarily without repercussions FROM the gods and the natural order of things. Obeah is potent, compelling and in the wrong hands, both deadly and dangerous. It's secret lies in its POWER. Even White Light Shields can and do weaken, collapse, or be rendered impotent, buckling under to another's stronger power when pitted against each other in tests of strength.

It is thought that the Ashanti and the Dahomeyans are the carriers of the wisdom of Obeah. That it was slaves from west and-north-Africa that brought this current of power to Jamaica and Trinidad-Tobago. The tradition of Obeah captures several lines of occult transmission. The Obeah it self is best seen as an multi-different source of extreme power. In a way, in that Obeahmen have been around and practicing their craft for centuries, and long before the term came into popular culture, the Obeahmen are the TRUE Chaos Magicians since they can use any system they want and fuel it with the power of Obeah, without the danger of disrespect for the gods. In Trinidad you will find Obeah blended with Muslim faith with Hinduism and Christianity. Also in Sierra Leone there are certain tribes which declares themselves as Muslim but who use the Quran to perform powerful magic with the help of Angels and Djinns. Similar traditions are to be found in Trinidad-Tobago as well. In the succession I belong to Obeah is blended with Orisha-worship, which is the most common manifestation of Obeah. Orisha worship in Trinidad has two main fractions "Spiritual Orisha" which are very Christian in its practical way. They also avoid blood-offerings. The other one "Baptist Orisha" is a more pure and ancient line of Orisha-transmission who accept blood-offerings and function very much like Orisha-worship you’ll meet elsewhere in the world. Still I might add that Voudon (Voodoo) is perhaps the closest "brother" to "Baptist Orisha"

http://assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?t=56

Empressdududahlin · 06-23-2006, 07:11 PM

I read this thread over there... thanks for sharing over here!!

Kiz · 06-26-2006, 12:05 PM

some points in that article is very misleading......for one there is no such ting as spiritual orisha and baptist orisha.......plus much more but i ent able dis morning

kevlocks · 06-26-2006, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by soca_souljah

Orisha worship in Trinidad has two main fractions "Spiritual Orisha" which are very Christian in its practical way. They also avoid blood-offerings.The other one "Baptist Orisha" is a more pure and ancient line of Orisha-transmission who accept blood-offerings and function very much like Orisha-worship you’ll meet elsewhere in the world. Still I might add that Voudon (Voodoo) is perhaps the closest "brother" to "Baptist Orisha"

Originally Posted by Trinikiz

some points in that article is very misleading

agreed.

In Trinidad, there's the Spiritual Baptist and the Orisha, which are two seperate groups of people. The SB faith is rooted within Chrisitianity, while the Orisha faith is akin to the Ila Ife/Yourba Faith found in Nigeria. To my knowledge, there's no such thing as "Spiritual Orisha" or "Baptist Orisha". I believe the author of the original text may have

confused the two

limintrinibwoy · 06-26-2006, 01:14 PM

lef dem leh deh steh deh....y one would want tuh deal up wid ah "chaos magician" is beyond me...

stacey12003 · 07-10-2006, 10:08 AM

Sometimes there is a need for divine intervention ...........And thismay be the only resolve

kevlocks · 07-10-2006, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by stacey12003

Sometimes there is a need for divine intervention ...........And thismay be the only resolve

care to elaborate??

trinidredz · 07-17-2006, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by soca_souljah

Obeah
Obeah, as practiced in Jamaica and the Caribbean, takes the USE OF and KNOWLEDGE OF ancient occult powers orginally handed down over the centuries by word of mouth from the remnants of a once very powerful and celebrated religious order in remote ages, now lost in the mist of time, and combines it with Shamanism --- as practiced mostly by tribal people who spoke Ashanti from West Africa --- Sorcery, Voudon (Voodoo), and witchcraft.
It is a dying breed shrouded in secrecy known and practiced only by a select few. Even fewer ever truly enter the ranks of Obeah and able to successfully wield its will and awesome scope unscathed. An Obeahman can use ANY system and fuel it with the power of Obeah without the danger of disrespect FOR the gods, but, depending on circumstances, not necessarily without repercussions FROM the gods and the natural order of things. Obeah is potent, compelling and in the wrong hands, both deadly and dangerous. It's secret lies in its POWER. Even White Light Shields can and do weaken, collapse, or be rendered impotent, buckling under to another's stronger power when pitted against each other in tests of strength.

It is thought that the Ashanti and the Dahomeyans are the carriers of the wisdom of Obeah. That it was slaves from west and-north-Africa that brought this current of power to Jamaica and Trinidad-Tobago. The tradition of Obeah captures several lines of occult transmission. The Obeah it self is best seen as an multi-different source of extreme power. In a way, in that Obeahmen have been around and practicing their craft for centuries, and long before the term came into popular culture, the Obeahmen are the TRUE Chaos Magicians since they can use any system they want and fuel it with the power of Obeah, without the danger of disrespect for the gods. In Trinidad you will find Obeah blended with Muslim faith with Hinduism and Christianity. Also in Sierra Leone there are certain tribes which declares themselves as Muslim but who use the Quran to perform powerful magic with the help of Angels and Djinns. Similar traditions are to be found in Trinidad-Tobago as well. In the succession I belong to Obeah is blended with Orisha-worship, which is the most common manifestation of Obeah. Orisha worship in Trinidad has two main fractions "Spiritual Orisha" which are very Christian in its practical way. They also avoid blood-offerings. The other one "Baptist Orisha" is a more pure and ancient line of Orisha-transmission who accept blood-offerings and function very much like Orisha-worship you’ll meet elsewhere in the world. Still I might add that Voudon (Voodoo) is perhaps the closest "brother" to "Baptist Orisha"

http://assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?t=56

Your articles has some good info,but as a Spiritual Baptist and as someone dat lives da Orishan life(Omo Orisha) I have to say dat the person who wrote dis articles,needs to recheck there facts.In past years there have been two main african religious groups Spiritual Baptist and Orisha....which where coded as "Sango Baptist" in years gone by( a term that sum still use)....growin up in a home that practiced both but yet as one...I grew up thinking that they where indeed the same......time and self empowerment has brought me to the knowlegde that they are two seperate beliefs..and brought me and many others to the realisation that they both were held together and used in accordance to strengthen them and has kept them both alive in our soceity over the years.,but they were only used to shelter the other for protection.

Anyway my point being...that there are:
1. Spirtual Baptist
These now are broken up into different categories as well:
For even S.Baptist have different beliefs,some believe in falgs others don't,some believe in saints others don't,some belief in use of drums others don't,and the list goes on.

2.Spiritual baptist that practise the Orisha rites and Traditions ( I guess these are who the author was referrin to as "Baptist Orisha"...Thee groups have kept the Orisha way of life alive in Trinidad,by conducting services and incorperating the Orisha customs into it...some even believe there is one connection no matter due to the fact of the "Spiritual" Connection.

3.And Orishans/Yoruba...these live their lives practicing only the Orisha traditions,and customs(divinations,ceronmonies,prayer,speakin yoruba..etc.)

but if you where to examine an elder Orishans ancestorial linage you will find that a S. Baptist was and instrumental role in there upbringin and teachings.

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soca_souljah Alliouagana Garveyite Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: JEW YORK...Stolen from Africa though Posts: 3,220 Credits: 2,213	Obeah : Afro Caribbean Obeah Obeah, as practiced in Jamaica and the Caribbean, takes the USE OF and KNOWLEDGE OF ancient occult powers orginally handed down over the centuries by word of mouth from the remnants of a once very powerful and celebrated religious order in remote ages, now lost in the mist of time, and combines it with Shamanism --- as practiced mostly by tribal people who spoke Ashanti from West Africa --- Sorcery, Voudon (Voodoo), and witchcraft. It is a dying breed shrouded in secrecy known and practiced only by a select few. Even fewer ever truly enter the ranks of Obeah and able to successfully wield its will and awesome scope unscathed. An Obeahman can use ANY system and fuel it with the power of Obeah without the danger of disrespect FOR the gods, but, depending on circumstances, not necessarily without repercussions FROM the gods and the natural order of things. Obeah is potent, compelling and in the wrong hands, both deadly and dangerous. It's secret lies in its POWER. Even White Light Shields can and do weaken, collapse, or be rendered impotent, buckling under to another's stronger power when pitted against each other in tests of strength. It is thought that the Ashanti and the Dahomeyans are the carriers of the wisdom of Obeah. That it was slaves from west and-north-Africa that brought this current of power to Jamaica and Trinidad-Tobago. The tradition of Obeah captures several lines of occult transmission. The Obeah it self is best seen as an multi-different source of extreme power. In a way, in that Obeahmen have been around and practicing their craft for centuries, and long before the term came into popular culture, the Obeahmen are the TRUE Chaos Magicians since they can use any system they want and fuel it with the power of Obeah, without the danger of disrespect for the gods. In Trinidad you will find Obeah blended with Muslim faith with Hinduism and Christianity. Also in Sierra Leone there are certain tribes which declares themselves as Muslim but who use the Quran to perform powerful magic with the help of Angels and Djinns. Similar traditions are to be found in Trinidad-Tobago as well. In the succession I belong to Obeah is blended with Orisha-worship, which is the most common manifestation of Obeah. Orisha worship in Trinidad has two main fractions "Spiritual Orisha" which are very Christian in its practical way. They also avoid blood-offerings. The other one "Baptist Orisha" is a more pure and ancient line of Orisha-transmission who accept blood-offerings and function very much like Orisha-worship you’ll meet elsewhere in the world. Still I might add that Voudon (Voodoo) is perhaps the closest "brother" to "Baptist Orisha" http://assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?t=56 __________________ Agitate until we create a stable society that benefits all our people. Instigate the nation until we remedy the injustices of society. Motivate our people to set a meaningful path for coming generations. Educate our people to free our minds and develop our consciousness Mwongozi Cudjoe (Chedmond Browne) Chairman of Free Montserrat United Movement

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