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Interesting essay:
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Magic versus Miracles: This is a spiritual subject that has caused more arguments and misunderstandings than just about any other. Maybe, with Harry Potter running loose, this is a good time to bring out the dirty laundry from under the stairs and let it all come clean.

Many Christians feel that Harry's influence is not a good thing. And yet throughout all of the Harry Potter books, the issue of good versus evil and the proper use of magical powers is explored through the metaphors of the story. So let us explore it more explicitly here.

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I like how the article ended with this statement:

In reading this, you may have realized something about yourself and your own spiritual path and actions. Whatever you have noticed, don't worry. God loves every single person, and knows that eventually you will find what you have truly been seeking. Be easy on yourself. Trust in Life. For Life itself is a Miracle!

so what do you think about the article

Now Kev that article said absolutely nothing. After reading that article Kev, I want you to tell me how you can differentiate between magic and miracles.

now ah ent feel bad for not reading it


nah ah going and read it and come again

ok dis is what ah get from it............ if God isn’t involved and the person’s ego is involved den its magic and if God is involved and the person ego isn’t involved den it’s a miracle.



someone may interpret it different

SO what do we call it if God isn't involved and the person's ego is not involved as well?

magic! I guess once god isnt in it it's magic

Good question. I was hoping the article would open up the floor for discussion. The reason being is what I read this morning:

It got me thinking: what really seperates a miracle from magic? Is a miracle vs magic positive vs negative? If so, why and who or what is the barometer to measure which is which?

When Moses parted the Red Sea,what was that considered? Even Jesus and what he did for his people.

I was also reading a book called Core of Fire by Aina Olomo and the author of the book coined a termed called Core Belief System (CBS). Our CBS is heavily influencial in our use of language as well as how we view the world and others in it.

In reading this, I was wondering is the miracle vs. magic debate along those same lines: a topic that is subject to personal interpretation and/or core belief.


read the thing then come again.

When God sent Moses to Pharaoh and Moses threw down his staff it turned into a snake and Pharaoh in turn did the same and it also turned into a snake.

So would we say that what Moses did was a miracle and what Pharaoh did was magic?

yuh blind or wha? direct yuh attention to post #5

Okay nice way tuh sidestep meh question but fair enough. Simple, supernatural occurances do not validate nor affirm my faith. My faith is has it's foundation in the Word of God. Not miracles. All miracles and miracle workers must be tested by the Word of God. To the law and to the testimonies, if they don't speak according those then there is no light in them. Period! So my question to you now is, since you don't use the Bible as your ultimate rule of faith, what do you have/use to decipher genuine vs. counterfeit???

So Tali do you belive in the miracles that was peformed in the bible. Is'nt that what you are equating the word of God to be?

I believe in miracles, but they do not validate my faith in God. According to the Bible, Satan and he whole pack ah imps have power to carry out supernatural events also. D Bible call he d biggest deceiver. How much times the Bible warns us to be careful, watch, pray, less we be deceived. All that says to me is that deception would be running rampant. So if deception running rampant and the Bible plainly tells me that unless I'm grounded I won't be able to tell the difference between true and false, good and evil, real and counterfeit, den miracles/magic cannot be used as a source for my faith or stance. Remember when Satan was tempting Jesus, he tried to get Jesus to do a miracle to validate his Godship, how did Jesus respond. Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God. Jesus used scripture as his guide. So if some miracle man healing people, but chanting thing dat's no Biblical or living a life contrary to what the Bible says then, according to the Bible, he and his miracles is not of God.

That bold part I understand to the fullest. However Jesus himself did perform miracles and wasnt these things done to get the people to believe (to validate/or increase their faith)?.



No one is trying to justify dat. To me the article stated if God isnt the source den it it basically crap

But now the question is how do you determine if it's from God or not?