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recess · 06-14-2006, 06:01 PM

When did this “Christ” go from political rebel to world savior? At what point was his story’s message of political activism lost? Interesting article.

Excerpts:
The real conspiracy surrounding Jesus is not the cover-up of his marriage to Mary Magdalene, but his theological transformation into the "bridegroom" of the Christian Church (Mark 2: 18-22). Jesus was a Jew not a Christian. He was not about dying so that believers everywhere could inherit eternal life, but about liberating the Jews in his land from Roman occupation. His crucifixion was not about resurrecting the dead but about reviving the living. His sacrifice was not about heaven or hell for all people in the future, but about release and renewal for the Jewish people in this life. The great conspiracy is the early Christian Church turning his model of liberation from an oppressive state into one of accommodation to the state.

… The real deception of traditional Christianity is its reinterpretation of salvation as an individual matter, apart from institutionalized political and economic realities that greatly determine who, in the gospel words of Jesus, may actually "have life, and have it in its fullest." (John 10:10)
http://www.counterpunch.org/alberts06142006.html

Oneshot · 06-14-2006, 06:05 PM

Judas was the rebel..

Light360 · 06-15-2006, 07:55 PM

A further risk for one's neighbor is that a one true and only saviour of the world appeals to insecure persons. Their need for absolute certainty and rightness, and intolerance of ambiguity, differences and complexity, invite and rationalize power over and domination of others. And another conspiracy is born: oppressing one's neighbor in the name of the very person whose mission was to set people free. Such conspiracies depend on rewriting history.

The early Christians' need to transcend the reality of the cross evidently led them to bury history. The historical reality was that the Jews suffered brutal oppression under Roman occupation, and that Jesus was merely one of many messianic prophets crucified Roman-style for political sedition. He was not about dying for the sins of the world so that believers could inherit eternal life, but about seeking to liberate the Jewish people from the sins of the Roman Empire-which had violated their national sovereignty, occupied their country, and crucified thousands of Jewish "insurgents" and bystanders. Belief in the Messiah was grounded not in heaven but on earth: national sovereignty, freedom and peace.

Good article and the correlation with Bush was on point.

Jesus is recorded as teaching that eternal life is not something one inherits but does. It is not primarily about belief but about behavior, just as the truth is reflected in what one does. When a lawyer tested him by asking, "Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?," Jesus confirmed that the two greatest commandments were the way: love of one's god and one's neighbor as oneself. "Do this [italics added], and you will live." (Luke 10:25-28)

Jesus did not say which neighbor to love. Nor specify the neighbor's race, religion, nationality or sexual orientation. Which evidently led the lawyer to test Jesus further by asking, "And who is my neighbor?" And Jesus said any person robbed of life and in need of a Good Samaritan. And there were no proselytizing strings attached. (Luke 10:29-37)

Religion is about seeing through and overcoming conspiracies. It is about setting people free, not imposing sectarian or political beliefs on them. It is about empowering people, not gaining power over them. It is about honoring people in calling them by their own names, and experiencing their reality not interpreting it. It is about loving one's neighbor as oneself. And one's neighbor is anyone-anywhere. Religion is not worshiping what the prophets did but doing what the prophets worshiped.

Yup

Ananci_7 · 06-15-2006, 11:49 PM

Nice article, but didn't we trash out this issue and covered much of what was outlined in this article last year on the MIx (and year before)?

No matter, this thing is worth being repeated over and over till it sinks in. I also think that as much as Rev Albert pointed out that the instruction allegedly uttured by the Jesus character "Go ye into the world....etc" was a later addition, he should have also made the link with George Bush's actions and beliefs and the fact that said beliefs are inspired by and result of almost two thousand years of Western Xianity's fraudulent claim to the historicity of the Gospel events

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recess Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 421 Credits: 1,665	Jesus…the Jewish Insurgent When did this “Christ” go from political rebel to world savior? At what point was his story’s message of political activism lost? Interesting article. Excerpts: The real conspiracy surrounding Jesus is not the cover-up of his marriage to Mary Magdalene, but his theological transformation into the "bridegroom" of the Christian Church (Mark 2: 18-22). Jesus was a Jew not a Christian. He was not about dying so that believers everywhere could inherit eternal life, but about liberating the Jews in his land from Roman occupation. His crucifixion was not about resurrecting the dead but about reviving the living. His sacrifice was not about heaven or hell for all people in the future, but about release and renewal for the Jewish people in this life. The great conspiracy is the early Christian Church turning his model of liberation from an oppressive state into one of accommodation to the state. … The real deception of traditional Christianity is its reinterpretation of salvation as an individual matter, apart from institutionalized political and economic realities that greatly determine who, in the gospel words of Jesus, may actually "have life, and have it in its fullest." (John 10:10) http://www.counterpunch.org/alberts06142006.html

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Ananci_7 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: San Fernando Trinidad & Tobago Posts: 1,220 Credits: 5,078	Nice article, but didn't we trash out this issue and covered much of what was outlined in this article last year on the MIx (and year before)? No matter, this thing is worth being repeated over and over till it sinks in. I also think that as much as Rev Albert pointed out that the instruction allegedly uttured by the Jesus character "Go ye into the world....etc" was a later addition, he should have also made the link with George Bush's actions and beliefs and the fact that said beliefs are inspired by and result of almost two thousand years of Western Xianity's fraudulent claim to the historicity of the Gospel events __________________ Create your own university; develop and encourage a culture of critical thinking and action

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