IslandMix

Ok, Satan (as told by Christian folk), is supposedly the great embodiment of evil, the troubler of men's souls, the great tempter, destroyer, arch enemy of God and man, deceiver, the one we blame all the bad things we do, etc. Well in the 20th chapter of the book of Revelation (supposedly speaking of a distant future they tell me), he is captured and bound for 1,000 years and the nations of the world gets some peace. That should have been the end of him, right? God's got him locked up rendering him ineffective. Now a few verses later, God releases him to go back and do his mess all over again.

What's God smoking? This is the God people tell me I NEED to serve or else?

man follow Islam at least you get 70 virgins

So Imix don't have any I can have now?

Because God and Satan are both part of the process...the Yin and the Yan, the Cosmic balance between Good and Evil. Possible to know Good absent of Evil...but in the presence of Evil, Good is better understood and appreciated. Besides, without Satan there to tempt us...how would we truly exercise free will? In order to freely choose something (Good), we need alternatives as well (Evil).

I was just coming to say something like this...ever watch the movie Devils Advocate ? God gave us free will... it's up to you to choose

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how can one truly have free will with an ALL knowing deity
an attribute many christians have given to bible god

are you telling me that you are able to do something god truly does NOT want you to do

when I say truly I dont mean it would like for you not to but will leave it up to you to decide

I mean there is something she DOES NOT want you to do yet you want to

Free will, like any other concept doesn't have to be absolute. And yes, I do believe that many of the wrong decisions we make God truly does not want for us to make that choice, but leaves us to choose as we wish.

The problem you have is that you're trying to apply your limited thinking (your ability to process and reason isn't infinite) to God...so because you cannot conceptualize ah "how" or "why"...you deem it impossible for God to allow us to do something s/he DOES NOT want us to do. Why would s/he allow it? Because there are other contingencies already in his/her plan.

D.J proverbs 3 vs 5 says "trust in the lord with all thine heart;and lean not unto thine own understanding."

but for you I'll try

Have you ever been in a situation when you know you are doing something wrong,but your torn should I continue to do the wrong or should I do whats right I think you would call that your Conscience,I call that free will

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a computer with enough processor power and memory can calculate every possible outcome for a chess match

Im am not entirely sure of the point you are trying to make
my point is that this "fee will" is in direct conflict with the attributes of the way many Christians portray her.mainly
she is the creator of EVRYthing
she is omniscience and omnipotent.
this thing you were going to do wrong or right was already planned out by god however ever long ago.
because she set up the situation for it to happen.
not only did she create the trees the pencil you are about to steal was made from
she created the person who invented the pencil

and there is nothing you can do to change it.
you cant pull a fast one on god.

the relationship being described is not like the one you have with one of your children.
unless you not only gave birth to your child you gave birth to everyone in her family before they were human beings and to everyone place thing she came into contact with any person place or thing they ever will come into contact with the earth she lives on the sun she feels to the sub atomic level(if not beyond).
I dont see someone having free will in such a situation.


the argument of limited thinking and there is a master plan(in conjunction with the devil) IMO is a cop out(not you in particular but in general. to make god more politically correct and nicer

It means that anything bad that happens in the world cannot be blamed on the "all powerful"
the one who created all of this to the most minute detail
and the responsibility is placed on god it is rationalized as part of the grand plan that only he knows and will one day come to fruition;even if we are not alive in this form to see it.




So basically;besides me everyone else in the world can die a excruciatingly painful and tragic death in the matter of 5 seconds
and afterwards I am to believe it is still not necessarily a "bad" thing.


anyhow you and I have discussed this in the past before at length so I wont go tit for tat
i thoroughly know your position/opinion and respect it as yours

God knows the end of every action but not the action we will choose

so there are some things god does not know?

Answa de man nuh ....

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You know!

He knows the end of every decision, even the ones we ourselves don't even know what we're going to opt for. I don't believe Oneshot is correct in his response. I will answer your other statements later.