1st of all...nobody knows...but here's my thinking on Ruth.

His average would suffer because the field would be filled with Torii Hunters, Derek Jeter's, Vlad Guerrero's, Ichiro's and the likes...so many of his hits would be outs. Also his average and homeruns would go down cuz he'd face better pitching innings 1-7 and then innings 8-9 or whenever the pitcher is in trouble, he'd face a fresh pitcher.


As far as Shaq and wilt...Wilt was like if Lebron went and played in the WNBA...that was Wilt's talent level.

Please....the game is better now. People are faster and stronger. The Centers couldn't dribble or shoot. 8 teams...hmm...how many of those centers were better than Memet Okur, Brad Miller, Kevin Garnett, Duncan, Shaq, Yao, Dwight Howard and Elton Brand?

How does he face better pitching? The mound was higher, the ball was looser, they are less teams those all equal out to advantage pitcher. Baseball pitching now is the worse than it has ever been his average would suffer and its not because they are better fielders but because of the technology and the gloves that are being used now.

For example Ted Lyons is a hall of famer in 1927 the year Ruth hit 60, he pitched 307 innings and has a era under 3, walked less than 2 guys per 9 innings guys were built for this sh!t, no fackin pitch counts.

Lefty Grove won 20 games that year and saved 13 games on top of that.

Because they faced inferior competition...now the comp is 10 times better with camps, worldwide leagues etc.

Also, how do you think Jim Thome's #'s would look if all the black players, and latino players, and asian players and basically non-whites weren't allowed to play? Also imagine there being no Walks, so pitchers are forced to pitch to them? I think he'd hit 85 homeruns a season, and be a dominant legendary figure, since filling the role of Johan Santana would be a AAA player.


Also, how good do you think Roy Halladay would be if he never had to face any non-whites...fill in Pujols for an average AAA player. That's what the league was like back then.

i can't stand that arguement, players now a days are so strong, are so quick, negated easily by the arguement that his a player from past played today he would have access to the same facilities that make these players quicker and stronger.

come on now, players now lack fundamentals, they play in soft ass leagues, you can barely touch them, there are some many rules to potect the players.

a player like tim duncun represents a player of old, no altheletic just fundamental sound and look how he dominates, the game.

If Wilt played today he would be just as big and be more dominant that any player. He would make like work of 98% of the centers in this era, the man was a scoring machine..... and no era can take that away from him.

Those guys aren't centers they are power forwards. The game is more entertaining today, I wouldn't say its better. The game was made for the half court offense it isnt like that today, they was no 3 point line so the game was less spread out. Centers cant dribble or shoot now so what are you saying?

Bill Russell at 215 lbs would wipe the floor with Okur. Mikan would body Brad Miller. Alcindor (speaking of centers that can shoot, a hook shot from 15 feet away) would give Shaq a headache, to be honest in today's game Shaq wouldnt even guard Alcindor, they'd have the Haslem do it because he would take Shaq away from the basketball. Bob Lanier, Dave Cowens, Elvin Hayes, Bob Petit, moses malone all would succeed at the 5 in this day and age.

Fack outta here with Brad Miller and Okur, cant be serious

Those guys would DOMINATE BACK THEN cuz they'd be Centers..the biggest and tallest players in the game.

Do you think speed and strength helps NBA players?

By the Way, Bill Russell is 6-9 1/2, 220 lbs

Basically Lebron and Kobe would be centers back then, but they'd be the fastest people on teh floor and jump the highest and shoot nearly the best.

another edit...laughable...mikan at 6 ft 10 245 lb would outmuscle Brad Miller at 7'0 261?

Ummm, MOST OF THE FACKIN BULLPENS IN BASEBALL NOW ARE FILLED WITH AAA PLAYERS and most 4th and 5th starters are what I like to call AAAA players. The race issue is not relevant, because we are talking about a league half the size of what it is there. If you played with 14 teams now and with all races than I would say the game now could dominate the game but I can't say that and plus to be honest the best years in baseball came were the 50s and 60s so blacks and latinos were playing.

The comp is not 10 times better because if it was the pitching would be as dominate as it was in the 60s which caused them to lower the mound in 69 because Gibson (a black man if you aint know) pitched won 22 games, pitched over 300 innings and had an era of 1.12. In 1969, baseball lowered the mound, switched to divisional play and from 69 10 teams have been added, so look up the league average era and from then and see the pitching difference

I know about Bob Gibson..I also know about Satchel Paige...did you know that 75% when the Negro Leagues played the MLB stars the Negro League players won? And it was no exhibition...but real race war?

Last i checked Dennis Rodman was 6' 7 and he lead the league in rebounding, Barkley was a 6'6 and was top 5 in boards... So once again i asked about the relevance of size and speed ova skill...and that was in the modern era with everyone bigger than them...


I know what Russell was and you fell right into my trap... Who has more rebounds and blocks, Brad Miller or Marcus Camby? How big is Marcus Camby...TALK DONE HAVE A GOOD NITE!

Just because your ex girlfriend told you size matter to her, doesnt mean it does in the NBA

Marcus Camby is taller than Brad Miller based on his arm length. Rodman was smart, and Barkley was a freak.

There are exceptions to every rule. To think that humans haven't evolved and there aren't better players today than 50 years ago I think is foolish when it comes to basketball and baseball.

I think players nowadays can play all 5 positions well and are just bigger and stronger. More people play bball than ever, so the comp to even get in the league is much stronger.

ps. Reality Barkely is 6'4 ( he lied about his height like everyone else ), but who's counting.

Whats your point? I know my negro league history very well. Satch won a rookie of the year in the MLB at like 45, thats neither here nor there though. Ruth is a game changer, the conditions he was hitting 60 HRs was no where close to what it is today, today everything would benefit him. Gehrig hit something like 47 or 48 that year but no one else even hit 20 HRs, it just was not something that was done. Black or White it doesn't matter the man was a game changer and your selling it short. The balls then were as baggy as some cross colour jeans in the early 90, many describe that as if they were waterlogged. Tighting balls means longer flight, thats what the term "juiced" originally meant in baseball, tighter balls

Better comp was out there....now better comp plays...Ruth #'s were inflated due to the lack of competition

maybe you should refer to the 1994 ass whooping Shaq got from Hakeem in the finals. 4-0, swept.

the old guys have better mechanics than these NBA guys. its only a few players today that are pure shooters some cant even call a shot.

So I keep hearing that the older guys had better fundamentals and what not... and that may be true in certain sports and not so true in others... but what is definately true in just about every sport is that the athletes themselves are bigger, stronger, and faster all at the same time... so much so that they maybe do not need to lean on fundamentals as much when they can do incredible things with their bodies.

Its hard to determine what a Wilt Chamberlain would do in today's NBA... but it is guaranteed he would not be near as dominant as he was. He would have to play against players with the same size and strength as him if not more... maybe even multiple such players on the same team who could double him.

In boxing its also hard to tell... sure a Mohamed Ali could outbox most of the young superstars... but might not one flush Tyson punch have knocked him senseless? Hmmmm.

Track and field. No contest... the athletes of this era will destroy the athletes of past eras because... well they are faster. Fundamentals isn't so much important as sheer athleticism... and these athletes of this era have that in abundance.