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Old 09-18-2008, 02:20 PM   #31 (permalink)
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In Martinique ,we listen to music from all around the globe, be it in french ,english , spanish, portuguese, african language etc etc...one question to all english speaking people : Why do u only listen to music in English ? i say so cuz here we have people who think they have to do music in english to penetrate the anglophone caribbean. I find this stupid. Why do u want to understand the lyrics of a song to appreciate it. If we did so here , few people would listen to reggae , soca , r&b, hip hop etc etc...
boss in st.kitts well not now but in the 80s and 90s we use to listen alot of zouk and compa esspecially zouk machine and kassav the melody alone from those songs from those bands just real sweet
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Old 09-18-2008, 03:22 PM   #32 (permalink)
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im not sure im talking about older calypso! ex.nani whine

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Old 09-18-2008, 05:30 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Old 09-19-2008, 09:04 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by anakonda View Post
In Martinique ,we listen to music from all around the globe, be it in french ,english , spanish, portuguese, african language etc etc...one question to all english speaking people : Why do u only listen to music in English ? i say so cuz here we have people who think they have to do music in english to penetrate the anglophone caribbean. I find this stupid. Why do u want to understand the lyrics of a song to appreciate it. If we did so here , few people would listen to reggae , soca , r&b, hip hop etc etc...
Not accurate. At least for Trinis and Guyanese, many people listen to music that isn't in English or completely in English. It's nothing new for either group. I have heard such commentary from people from non-English speaking islands and I do wish that they would expose themselves more to the cultures of the English-speaking Caribbean.


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Trinis speak a broken Hindi. Babla and Kachan are actually from India though. THey speak Hindi
IMO, it's not a broken Hindi. It's just a Hindi creole - that is actually often closer to Bhojpuri, which itself is a dialect of Hindi. That so many of us as Caribbean people insist on referring our languages/dialects broken is "interesting." It's simply because we are a mix of many cultures that we speak many creole languages.

Either way, chutney definitely counts because plenty tunes are not in English, or predominantly not in English. The same with traditional parang.

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Old 09-19-2008, 12:15 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by dollbabi View Post
That so many of us as Caribbean people insist on referring our languages/dialects broken is "interesting."

I agree. Our languges are just as broken as standard Spanish, English our French.


So people what do you think of the song by Danah?
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I agree. Our languges are just as broken as standard Spanish, English our French.


So people what do you think of the song by Danah?
I like it. Maybe a little bit more work on tone of the vocals, but the girl has a good voice. Instrumentals are really nice, and I love the message!
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Originally Posted by dollbabi View Post
IMO, it's not a broken Hindi. It's just a Hindi creole - that is actually often closer to Bhojpuri, which itself is a dialect of Hindi. That so many of us as Caribbean people insist on referring our languages/dialects broken is "interesting." It's simply because we are a mix of many cultures that we speak many creole languages.

Either way, chutney definitely counts because plenty tunes are not in English, or predominantly not in English. The same with traditional parang.
I don't think of broken asa bad thing. I think of Creole and broken as the same thing.

We agree, i'm just not insulted by the use of the word broken.
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i think that non english caribbean countries are far more interested in the engliah caribbean countries' culture than the opposite. Just like in everything else, english speakers often if not all the time feel some superiority. if something is not in english rarely they would try translate, or find ways to understand it.




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Not accurate. At least for Trinis and Guyanese, many people listen to music that isn't in English or completely in English. It's nothing new for either group. I have heard such commentary from people from non-English speaking islands and I do wish that they would expose themselves more to the cultures of the English-speaking Caribbean.


IMO, it's not a broken Hindi. It's just a Hindi creole - that is actually often closer to Bhojpuri, which itself is a dialect of Hindi. That so many of us as Caribbean people insist on referring our languages/dialects broken is "interesting." It's simply because we are a mix of many cultures that we speak many creole languages.

Either way, chutney definitely counts because plenty tunes are not in English, or predominantly not in English. The same with traditional parang.
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Originally Posted by soraya View Post
i think that non english caribbean countries are far more interested in the engliah caribbean countries' culture than the opposite. Just like in everything else, english speakers often if not all the time feel some superiority. if something is not in english rarely they would try translate, or find ways to understand it.

Maybe and maybe not. I believe it depends on the individual. Some people from non-english speaking nations act as though english speaking nations don't have or listen to non-english music. Their music is not the only non-english music out here. Again, lack of exposure to the cultures of the english speaking nations...
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Originally Posted by Kjaja07 View Post
I don't think of broken asa bad thing. I think of Creole and broken as the same thing.

We agree, i'm just not insulted by the use of the word broken.
Regardless, the basis of the term is still ignorant. Wonder how it might be taken if certain others referred to our cultures as being broken as well...
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most people from non english caribbean countries are interested in english caribbean island things. you cannot deny that. if you go to a haitian party, of course there will be the kompa, zouk, you will def. have the reggea and the soca. and i am not talking only one song . can u say the same about english people parties?


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Maybe and maybe not. I believe it depends on the individual. Some people from non-english speaking nations act as though english speaking nations don't have or listen to non-english music. Their music is not the only non-english music out here. Again, lack of exposure to the cultures of the english speaking nations...
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Originally Posted by soraya View Post
most people from non english caribbean countries are interested in english caribbean island things. you cannot deny that. if you go to a haitian party, of course there will be the kompa, zouk, you will def. have the reggea and the soca. and i am not talking only one song . can u say the same about english people parties?
What are english speaking caribbean things? Are all english speaking caribbean parties the same?
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why are you pretending that you do not understand what i am trying to say????

I am speaking for haitians since i know them best. When haitians throw parties, they will pay a variety of music. In order to do so we had to show interest in these other types of music in order to like them and appreciate them to the point of learning how to dance them and enjoy them when we celebrate.

in our fetes, we play: kompa, zouk, hip hop, reggea, soca, soukous, RnB, salsa, bachata.

All that because although we love our kompa, we always love to jam to other musics. of course not all haitians love Salsa and sica and what not, but most are interested enough to listen to them and play them at their parties.


Honestly, when a trini or bajan,or Jcan, throw a party what kinds of music are you more likely to hear??? (in general)




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Originally Posted by soraya View Post
why are you pretending that you do not understand what i am trying to say????

I am speaking for haitians since i know them best. When haitians throw parties, they will pay a variety of music. In order to do so we had to show interest in these other types of music in order to like them and appreciate them to the point of learning how to dance them and enjoy them when we celebrate.

in our fetes, we play: kompa, zouk, hip hop, reggea, soca, soukous, RnB, salsa, bachata.

All that because although we love our kompa, we always love to jam to other musics. of course not all haitians love Salsa and sica and what not, but most are interested enough to listen to them and play them at their parties.


Honestly, when a trini or bajan,or Jcan, throw a party what kinds of music are you more likely to hear??? (in general)




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Why are you acting like the English speaking Caribbean is only what you want to make it out to be? Why are you acting like you don't know exactly what I was speaking about in the first place?

My statement was as follows many people listen to music that isn't in English or completely in English. It does not have to be your preferred types music. In Trini and Guyanese parties, you will very will hear music not in English - whether it is our own or not. What about Dominica or St. Lucia? Both are English speaking islands, but also speak Kreyol. Do you feel they don't jam to non-English speaking music either?

The English speaking Caribbean is likely far more diverse than the French/Kreyol speaking nations, such that one cannot just easily lump them all into one category or mode. Which is why I stated that there is a lack of exposure to the english speaking caribbean among some others...

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