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Old 08-26-2011, 09:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I am of the opinion that supporting android on BB devices will be a bad move for blackberry. But that's just me.

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Old 08-26-2011, 06:17 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I am of the opinion that supporting android on BB devices will be a bad move for blackberry. But that's just me.
what else could they do? people leaving BB for apps
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I think that there is a problem when apps are replacing functions that the brain can perform easily, but i digress...

If consumers want more apps they will be better off getting an android device or iphone than a blackberry with android support. Why half step?

What bb needs to do is build a device line that the market wants. They almost made it with the 9850/9860 device running bb7. It's lacking one or two things but apart from that its a very nice device.
With their device security and trademark functions that bought them a lot of brand loyals and corporate clients, if they create a line of devices that is up to market standards developers will create a bb version of their app.

Why openly accept defeat and try to hold on by supporting your competition? What they did with bb7 and the spec on the 9850/60 shows that they could create an great devices.

Bottom line ->Their management sucks.

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I disagree, its the best move they can make at this point. Regardless of whether apps is replacing the brain, people enjoy them. Building a higher level device isnt going to give Blackberry any extra attention. Yes people will enjoy having apps and still being able to use BBM..which is what his keeping them afloat.
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what else could they do? people leaving BB for apps
instead of just hijacking apps, they should have trashed their os and qnx and go with a custom android variant.
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instead of just hijacking apps, they should have trashed their os and qnx and go with a custom android variant.
Nah homie. samsung, google, htc, motorola, all got enought variants out there.

Blackberry OS is good. they just need a solid device (ghz, memory, front facing cam, et cetera). The bold 9930 and the torch 9850 are great devices.

I am a palmaholic, coming from the treo 650, 700p & 755p... palm pre. - just for the record so you know that i am not being baised. Out of contract for a while and I think i going bb on the upgrade. ipone and andriod are play phones imo.

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Nah homie. samsung, google, htc, motorola, all got enought variants out there.

Blackberry OS is good. they just need a solid device (ghz, memory, front facing cam, et cetera). The bold 9930 and the torch 9850 are great devices.

I am a palmaholic, coming from the treo 650, 700p & 755p... palm pre. - just for the record so you know that i am not being baised. Out of contract for a while and I think i going bb on the upgrade. ipone and andriod are play phones imo.
I started out on Palm many years back, i now have an EVO and can tell you, android has way supassed bb. to me bb are for uncreative people. you might call it play phones, but to me its waaay more functional
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Originally Posted by Longing For View Post
Nah homie. samsung, google, htc, motorola, all got enought variants out there.

Blackberry OS is good. they just need a solid device (ghz, memory, front facing cam, et cetera). The bold 9930 and the torch 9850 are great devices.

I am a palmaholic, coming from the treo 650, 700p & 755p... palm pre. - just for the record so you know that i am not being baised. Out of contract for a while and I think i going bb on the upgrade. ipone and andriod are play phones imo.
And you don't think android with exclusive BBM isn't better than BB OS with it? The OS has been recycled for 3 yrs. Why do you think they bought QNX to move away from that OS? Also why do you think they're testing ANDROID apps to run on QNX? It's because their OS is dated and they've been getting by until most notably this year. It's beginning to show in numbers, and executives leaving RIM left and right. Samsung, HTC, Moto etc. have been smart to carry android devices. It literally saved Motorola's ass and took Samsung to a next level. If RIM adapted in the earlies they wouldn't be rolling the dice on QNX right now and their numbers would be solid. PPL would kill for an Android device w/ BBM and keyboards right now. I'll give them props on the hardware getting better although they're later than the rest.
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I started out on Palm many years back, i now have an EVO and can tell you, android has way supassed bb. to me bb are for uncreative people. you might call it play phones, but to me its waaay more functional
Functional depending on the individual user. So everyone is right in saying that which ever device is functional in there own opinion.
bb is for uncreative people? Alot of business owners and the like believe in bb as their choice of world wide "always connect" device. Their creativity is in business not in personalizing a mobile device and apps to help them do nit bits. They just need... as you put it, "functionality"... email, calls, ability to veiw documents, etc. Video calling etc is just extras. and the rest they don't even use. Maybe facebook, and a game or two while in transit. Again, this is subjective to the needs and to the purpose of the device to each individual.

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And you don't think android with exclusive BBM isn't better than BB OS with it? The OS has been recycled for 3 yrs. Why do you think they bought QNX to move away from that OS? Also why do you think they're testing ANDROID apps to run on QNX? It's because their OS is dated and they've been getting by until most notably this year. It's beginning to show in numbers, and executives leaving RIM left and right. Samsung, HTC, Moto etc. have been smart to carry android devices. It literally saved Motorola's ass and took Samsung to a next level. If RIM adapted in the earlies they wouldn't be rolling the dice on QNX right now and their numbers would be solid. PPL would kill for an Android device w/ BBM and keyboards right now. I'll give them props on the hardware getting better although they're later than the rest.
The last thing I want as a consumer Is to be limited in choices. To be stuck with just iOS and Andriod is not good for me(the consumer).
This is why I am advocating for rim to keep their OS... tweak it in which ever way but give the market another alternative.
I think that the QNX investment is good. I could give them to ability to build a superior OS than carbon copy the market.
If they decide to add another line with andriod but still have their os on their signature devices like the bold and the curve, I could see that as good to, to try and grab part of the andriod hooked market; i can agree with you on that. But they should not ditch their OS, improvements of their OS or development of another OS all together.
In relation to what I said to up2detime, bb does what some people need and they do it well with encryption which to alot users is valuable. Their encryption is so tight that gov'ts banned the use of bb. I would trade in andriod if I could send business related information (without fear of copy right infringement for e.g.) on any given sunday; which is functionality to a part of the market.
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Functional depending on the individual user. So everyone is right in saying that which ever device is functional in there own opinion.
bb is for uncreative people? Alot of business owners and the like believe in bb as their choice of world wide "always connect" device. Their creativity is in business not in personalizing a mobile device and apps to help them do nit bits. They just need... as you put it, "functionality"... email, calls, ability to veiw documents, etc. Video calling etc is just extras. and the rest they don't even use. Maybe facebook, and a game or two while in transit. Again, this is subjective to the needs and to the purpose of the device to each individual.

The last thing I want as a consumer Is to be limited in choices. To be stuck with just iOS and Andriod is not good for me(the consumer).
This is why I am advocating for rim to keep their OS... tweak it in which ever way but give the market another alternative.
I think that the QNX investment is good. I could give them to ability to build a superior OS than carbon copy the market.
If they decide to add another line with andriod but still have their os on their signature devices like the bold and the curve, I could see that as good to, to try and grab part of the andriod hooked market; i can agree with you on that. But they should not ditch their OS, improvements of their OS or development of another OS all together.
In relation to what I said to up2detime, bb does what some people need and they do it well with encryption which to alot users is valuable. Their encryption is so tight that gov'ts banned the use of bb. I would trade in andriod if I could send business related information (without fear of copy right infringement for e.g.) on any given sunday; which is functionality to a part of the market.
by OS i hope ur not talking about 7 but rather QNX. And even then, QNX needs a lot of work. The idea of QNX and flash is great, but i believe the playbook was put out without it being ready which resulted in poor sales. That might carry over into the phone results when they're released. RIM know their app store is a bust so they're allowing QNX to run Android apps. IMO they would be much better off running android and done. You eliminate app issues, and everything plays nice. Lastly, the good thing about android is you can build an OS on top of android and have it not look like typical android. I.E Grid OS, the Nook Color's OS by B+N. RIM can build an android based OS and still control security and use their servers.
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by OS i hope ur not talking about 7 but rather QNX. And even then, QNX needs a lot of work. The idea of QNX and flash is great, but i believe the playbook was put out without it being ready which resulted in poor sales. That might carry over into the phone results when they're released. RIM know their app store is a bust so they're allowing QNX to run Android apps. IMO they would be much better off running android and done. You eliminate app issues, and everything plays nice. Lastly, the good thing about android is you can build an OS on top of android and have it not look like typical android. I.E Grid OS, the Nook Color's OS by B+N. RIM can build an android based OS and still control security and use their servers.
Hmmmm... trust me homie, im feeling you, no buts, you are on point. I just don't want the market mix to get slimmer. Variety is the spice of like as they say.

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Functional depending on the individual user. So everyone is right in saying that which ever device is functional in there own opinion.
bb is for uncreative people? Alot of business owners and the like believe in bb as their choice of world wide "always connect" device. Their creativity is in business not in personalizing a mobile device and apps to help them do nit bits. They just need... as you put it, "functionality"... email, calls, ability to veiw documents, etc. Video calling etc is just extras. and the rest they don't even use. Maybe facebook, and a game or two while in transit. Again, this is subjective to the needs and to the purpose of the device to each individual.

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my office now gives you the option of an Andriod phone or a BB
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