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Daveed · 09-07-2008, 04:04 AM

Here is my solution.

- a time slot for costumed bands in the earlier time of the day
- a time slot for tee shirt bands
- A times lot for steel bands etc (Ah luv mih pan)
- a time slot for others.

That way the people who luv deh costumed mas could enjoy and go home before de other bachanal start.

Also you could pin point trouble spots and provide more security and policing for those or get rid of them if it is too much trouble.

This is better than banning the Haitians etc.

We have to find ways to include everybody while allowing those who want to play costume mas or enjoy looking at it to not feel so effed up by those who enjoy other things.

Making the costumed bands come early and only allowing the others on later will also avoid those dead periods which can make the parkway boring.

This solution will cost you the normal fee

You can send the check to 21 Ramsaroop drive Chaguanas luvly Trinidad WI

~Ragga~ · 09-07-2008, 11:33 AM

A similar solution was already introduced a couple years are so back. So by the looking at this thread I guess it has not been working the way they planned.

4mydawgz · 09-07-2008, 04:05 PM

i think they just need to have the haitians go out earlier. the problem is crowd management. they always go out late and draw the big crowds. and they always have like 5 trucks on the road. let the haitians go out early. it will be a lesser crowd, more manageable crowd. send hot 97 earlier too. maybe bout 2 or so. then once that large crowd past the end point, that is it. they cant come back. that eliminates a bunch of people from the street, and the rest of the bands will be more manageable.

Daveed · 09-08-2008, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by ~Ragga~

A similar solution was already introduced a couple years are so back. So by the looking at this thread I guess it has not been working the way they planned.

If they did introduce such a system it was not enforced.

Systems have to be enforced.

I dont believe in fatalism.

If enough people are unhappy about the way things are then mew methods have to be tried.

Daveed · 09-08-2008, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by 4mydawgz

i think they just need to have the haitians go out earlier. the problem is crowd management. they always go out late and draw the big crowds. and they always have like 5 trucks on the road. let the haitians go out early. it will be a lesser crowd, more manageable crowd. send hot 97 earlier too. maybe bout 2 or so. then once that large crowd past the end point, that is it. they cant come back. that eliminates a bunch of people from the street, and the rest of the bands will be more manageable.

You are right about "the problem being crowd mangement."

If we could get the Haitian type trucks to come earlier that would be great.

However, the people who follow these trucks tend to come late and the real mas lovers tend to come earlier. I know real mas lovers who would love to just see the custumed bands and then go home.

Remember its the younger people who want to get in those big crowds.

Hell, up to a couple of years ago that was my thing too. My parents and older people couldnt understand that.

In fact some of you guys sound just like my parents use to sound. Part of some of youall problem (not all) is that you are getting OLD. Own it.

Dark & Lovely · 09-08-2008, 12:30 PM

I am so glad u started this thread cause that other one is packed...lol

I have been involved in the Labor day festivals since the age of 6 the Pan Section and have been behind the scenes attending meetings with OfFicials, Police etc.

People are quick to blame Wiadca but what they fail to realize is that lot of the blame and responsibities falls on the individual Bands involved in the celebration. The Police did there Jobs......As far as stormers etc it was the responsibity of the Band for example.....ummmm Genises (just picking names out of a hat) They are responsible for hiring SECURITY tooo keep the asses out. NOT WIADCA.
For people who dont.... know each band has to pay separate for insurance in order to touch the parkway.

The big gaps in the parade was NOt the fault of Wiadca....the fault was on the INdividual Bands...... they took there time getting on the Parkway....

As far as steelbands...alot of us OPt not too go cause its not worth it....with the DJ drowning us out....

I have more to add and will be back....

Dark & Lovely · 09-08-2008, 12:36 PM

ohhh yeah regarding the number of trucks...has NOTHINGG TO do with WIADCA

If 10 Haitian,3 trini , 8 jamaican etc trucks registers that is out of Wiadcas
hand.......

That like saying Wiadca has control over weather 13 steelband join the panorama compared to 9.

esq1908 · 09-09-2008, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Dark & Lovely

I am so glad u started this thread cause that other one is packed...lol

I have been involved in the Labor day festivals since the age of 6 the Pan Section and have been behind the scenes attending meetings with OfFicials, Police etc.

People are quick to blame Wiadca but what they fail to realize is that lot of the blame and responsibities falls on the individual Bands involved in the celebration. The Police did there Jobs......As far as stormers etc it was the responsibity of the Band for example.....ummmm Genises (just picking names out of a hat) They are responsible for hiring SECURITY tooo keep the asses out. NOT WIADCA.
For people who dont.... know each band has to pay separate for insurance in order to touch the parkway.

The big gaps in the parade was NOt the fault of Wiadca....the fault was on the INdividual Bands...... they took there time getting on the Parkway....

As far as steelbands...alot of us OPt not too go cause its not worth it....with the DJ drowning us out....

I have more to add and will be back....

Good point, but when the gap becomes an issue with the entire parade, it may not be the fault or WIADCA and that point and time, but it would be a strategic move for them to work on eliminating that for the following year, set some boundaries an limits. If the band isn't reasonable in terms of their timing, and its affecting the parade, then there should be some consequence. Its understandable that they're not responsible for everything that goes badly on the parkway, but there is a lot that they are responsible for, ie improvement from year to year, which constantly escapes them.

I wish dem luck

Dark & Lovely · 09-09-2008, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by esq1908

Good point, but when the gap becomes an issue with the entire parade, it may not be the fault or WIADCA and that point and time, but it would be a strategic move for them to work on eliminating that for the following year, set some boundaries an limits. If the band isn't reasonable in terms of their timing, and its affecting the parade, then there should be some consequence. Its understandable that they're not responsible for everything that goes badly on the parkway, but there is a lot that they are responsible for, ie improvement from year to year, which constantly escapes them.

I wish dem luck

U too also make a good point But I can tell you that the police tried to keep the gap this year to a minimal.. The police Had chocolate City moving like hell whether the music was playing or not and i am sure that they did the same to the previous band. The messed up thing about it is that there is alot of less PRETTY Mass bands and that is the disappointing part in my OPinion.

**Vincy-Soca-Diva** · 09-09-2008, 06:17 PM

Seven Reasons Why the Parkway is better than Trinidad Carnival|Caribbean Carnival Network

I thought this article was funny. Tell me what you guys think. I feel nothing can compare to mas back home but to each is own. I guess for every negative there is a positive and this article highlights positives of labor day. As for solutions I'm all for Unity, but there should be a limit to how many trucks each island has for representation. Maybe 3 Mas bands and 1 or 2 T-shirt bands after all Carnival is costumes. And also someone explain to NYPD just because we don't have a costume on doesn't mean we don't want to participate. I was so upset I had to walk a whole 2 blocks to find a hole and an area to climb in order to get in my band, and its frustrating when you just come back from the islands and you're accustom to just walking in and out of the streets. Anyway tell me what you think about the article.

jamaicangirl · 09-09-2008, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by **Vincy-Soca-Diva**

Seven Reasons Why the Parkway is better than Trinidad Carnival|Caribbean Carnival Network

I thought this article was funny. Tell me what you guys think. I feel nothing can compare to mas back home but to each is own. I guess for every negative there is a positive and this article highlights positives of labor day. As for solutions I'm all for Unity, but there should be a limit to how many trucks each island has for representation. Maybe 3 Mas bands and 1 or 2 T-shirt bands after all Carnival is costumes. And also someone explain to NYPD just because we don't have a costume on doesn't mean we don't want to participate. I was so upset I had to walk a whole 2 blocks to find a hole and an area to climb in order to get in my band, and its frustrating when you just come back from the islands and you're accustom to just walking in and out of the streets. Anyway tell me what you think about the article.

Don't you think that you are contradicting yourself?

chinky eyes · 09-09-2008, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by **Vincy-Soca-Diva**

Seven Reasons Why the Parkway is better than Trinidad Carnival|Caribbean Carnival Network

I thought this article was funny. Tell me what you guys think. I feel nothing can compare to mas back home but to each is own. I guess for every negative there is a positive and this article highlights positives of labor day. As for solutions I'm all for Unity, but there should be a limit to how many trucks each island has for representation. Maybe 3 Mas bands and 1 or 2 T-shirt bands after all Carnival is costumes. And also someone explain to NYPD just because we don't have a costume on doesn't mean we don't want to participate. I was so upset I had to walk a whole 2 blocks to find a hole and an area to climb in order to get in my band, and its frustrating when you just come back from the islands and you're accustom to just walking in and out of the streets. Anyway tell me what you think about the article.

A north american carnival can NEVER EVER be better than that which takes place in each island. Even though these north american events are put on/organized by a committe or board members, made up of people from the the islands, you're still in a foreign land that does not fully understand or feel what we feel, because it's not their culture.

You want to take ah lil jump and try to duplicate d ting, like yuh self in ah north american session. You want to feel in yuh soul want it is to "break away" visit one of the many caribbean nations during it's festivities.

**Vincy-Soca-Diva** · 09-10-2008, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by jamaicangirl

Don't you think that you are contradicting yourself?

Nope because I did mention having a t-shirt band

haitianprince · 09-10-2008, 12:05 PM

in my eyes. i would have to admit i'm a mas lover instead of t-shirt lover. i don't see anything kool ,with a truck with music people following with regular clothes on.... when i see that it looks like a regular typical block party in bklyn

keep the mas alive in carnival, i guess t-shirt bands as well ,because it brings revenue to carnival

HelloYellow · 09-10-2008, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Daveed

Here is my solution.

- a time slot for costumed bands in the earlier time of the day
- a time slot for tee shirt bands
- A times lot for steel bands etc (Ah luv mih pan)
- a time slot for others.

That way the people who luv deh costumed mas could enjoy and go home before de other bachanal start.

Also you could pin point trouble spots and provide more security and policing for those or get rid of them if it is too much trouble.

This is better than banning the Haitians etc.

We have to find ways to include everybody while allowing those who want to play costume mas or enjoy looking at it to not feel so effed up by those who enjoy other things.

Making the costumed bands come early and only allowing the others on later will also avoid those dead periods which can make the parkway boring.

This solution will cost you the normal fee

You can send the check to 21 Ramsaroop drive Chaguanas luvly Trinidad WI

I Love It !!!!!

09-07-2008, 04:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
Daveed Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Trinidad Posts: 1,028	Brooklyn Labor Day Parade Sinking Fast - The Perfect Solution Here is my solution. - a time slot for costumed bands in the earlier time of the day - a time slot for tee shirt bands - A times lot for steel bands etc (Ah luv mih pan) - a time slot for others. That way the people who luv deh costumed mas could enjoy and go home before de other bachanal start. Also you could pin point trouble spots and provide more security and policing for those or get rid of them if it is too much trouble. This is better than banning the Haitians etc. We have to find ways to include everybody while allowing those who want to play costume mas or enjoy looking at it to not feel so effed up by those who enjoy other things. Making the costumed bands come early and only allowing the others on later will also avoid those dead periods which can make the parkway boring. This solution will cost you the normal fee You can send the check to 21 Ramsaroop drive Chaguanas luvly Trinidad WI

09-07-2008, 11:33 AM	#2 (permalink)
~Ragga~ Reborn!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Flatbush Posts: 9,716	A similar solution was already introduced a couple years are so back. So by the looking at this thread I guess it has not been working the way they planned. __________________ "They made us many promises , but they only kept one. They promised to take our land and they took it." - -Chief Red Cloud

09-08-2008, 12:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
Dark & Lovely $ CASH MONEY PROMOTIONS$ Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: brooklyn usa Posts: 9,624	I am so glad u started this thread cause that other one is packed...lol I have been involved in the Labor day festivals since the age of 6 the Pan Section and have been behind the scenes attending meetings with OfFicials, Police etc. People are quick to blame Wiadca but what they fail to realize is that lot of the blame and responsibities falls on the individual Bands involved in the celebration. The Police did there Jobs......As far as stormers etc it was the responsibity of the Band for example.....ummmm Genises (just picking names out of a hat) They are responsible for hiring SECURITY tooo keep the asses out. NOT WIADCA. For people who dont.... know each band has to pay separate for insurance in order to touch the parkway. The big gaps in the parade was NOt the fault of Wiadca....the fault was on the INdividual Bands...... they took there time getting on the Parkway.... As far as steelbands...alot of us OPt not too go cause its not worth it....with the DJ drowning us out.... I have more to add and will be back.... __________________ "TOO BLESSED TO BE STRESSED TOO ANNOINTED TO BE DISAPPOINTED"

09-08-2008, 12:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dark & Lovely $ CASH MONEY PROMOTIONS$ Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: brooklyn usa Posts: 9,624	ohhh yeah regarding the number of trucks...has NOTHINGG TO do with WIADCA If 10 Haitian,3 trini , 8 jamaican etc trucks registers that is out of Wiadcas hand....... That like saying Wiadca has control over weather 13 steelband join the panorama compared to 9. __________________ "TOO BLESSED TO BE STRESSED TOO ANNOINTED TO BE DISAPPOINTED"

09-09-2008, 06:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
Vincy-Soca-Diva Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,208	Optimism at it's best Seven Reasons Why the Parkway is better than Trinidad Carnival\|Caribbean Carnival Network I thought this article was funny. Tell me what you guys think. I feel nothing can compare to mas back home but to each is own. I guess for every negative there is a positive and this article highlights positives of labor day. As for solutions I'm all for Unity, but there should be a limit to how many trucks each island has for representation. Maybe 3 Mas bands and 1 or 2 T-shirt bands after all Carnival is costumes. And also someone explain to NYPD just because we don't have a costume on doesn't mean we don't want to participate. I was so upset I had to walk a whole 2 blocks to find a hole and an area to climb in order to get in my band, and its frustrating when you just come back from the islands and you're accustom to just walking in and out of the streets. Anyway tell me what you think about the article. Last edited by Vincy-Soca-Diva; 09-09-2008 at 06:38 PM.

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09-07-2008, 04:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
4mydawgz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Brooklyn... Stand Up! Posts: 401	i think they just need to have the haitians go out earlier. the problem is crowd management. they always go out late and draw the big crowds. and they always have like 5 trucks on the road. let the haitians go out early. it will be a lesser crowd, more manageable crowd. send hot 97 earlier too. maybe bout 2 or so. then once that large crowd past the end point, that is it. they cant come back. that eliminates a bunch of people from the street, and the rest of the bands will be more manageable.

09-10-2008, 12:05 PM	#14 (permalink)
haitianprince 100 % Haitian-0 % Yankee Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Brooklyn.Flatbush –Kings county Borough (home to the largest Islanders,west-Indian, Caribbean community living aboard from home) Posts: 2,434	in my eyes. i would have to admit i'm a mas lover instead of t-shirt lover. i don't see anything kool ,with a truck with music people following with regular clothes on.... when i see that it looks like a regular typical block party in bklyn keep the mas alive in carnival, i guess t-shirt bands as well ,because it brings revenue to carnival __________________ I would like to Thank all the fake haitians, who came out during the west-indian parade-2k8, but who has no roots to caribbean island nation.but bought a flag to represent !!!!!! Thanks again see you phony people next year !!!!!!! ,2k9. (R.I.P Grandpa-your memories will always be here with me !!!!). I'm Chillin in New Orleans with Beyonce' and Lil Wayne Drinking some Hand-Grenade (Liquor Drink), near The Bayou.

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