Originally Posted by Oneshot
a computer with enough processor power and memory can calculate every possible outcome for a chess match
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Im am not entirely sure of the point you are trying to make
Originally Posted by JAHTEE
D.J proverbs 3 vs 5 says "trust in the lord with all thine heart;and lean not unto thine own understanding."
but for you I'll try 
Have you ever been in a situation when you know you are doing something wrong,but your torn should I continue to do the wrong or should I do whats right I think you would call that your Conscience,I call that free will |
my point is that this "fee will" is in direct conflict with the attributes of the way many Christians portray her.mainly
she is the creator of EVRYthing
she is omniscience and omnipotent.
this thing you were going to do wrong or right was already planned out by god however ever long ago.
because she set up the situation for it to happen.
not only did she create the trees the pencil you are about to steal was made from
she created the person who invented the pencil
and there is nothing you can do to change it.
you cant pull a fast one on god.
the relationship being described is not like the one you have with one of your children.
unless you not only gave birth to your child you gave birth to everyone in her family before they were human beings and to everyone place thing she came into contact with any person place or thing they ever will come into contact with the earth she lives on the sun she feels to the sub atomic level(if not beyond).
I dont see someone having free will in such a situation.
Originally Posted by Bake n Shark
Free will, like any other concept doesn't have to be absolute. And yes, I do believe that many of the wrong decisions we make God truly does not want for us to make that choice, but leaves us to choose as we wish.
The problem you have is that you're trying to apply your limited thinking (your ability to process and reason isn't infinite) to God...so because you cannot conceptualize ah "how" or "why"...you deem it impossible for God to allow us to do something s/he DOES NOT want us to do. Why would s/he allow it? Because there are other contingencies already in his/her plan.
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the argument of limited thinking and there is a master plan(in conjunction with the devil) IMO is a cop out(not you in particular but in general. to make god more politically correct and nicer
It means that anything bad that happens in the world cannot be blamed on the "all powerful"
the one who created all of this to the most minute detail
and the responsibility is placed on god it is rationalized as part of the grand plan that only he knows and will one day come to fruition;even if we are not alive in this form to see it.
So basically;besides me everyone else in the world can die a excruciatingly painful and tragic death in the matter of 5 seconds
and afterwards I am to believe it is still not necessarily a "bad" thing.
anyhow you and I have discussed this in the past before at length so I wont go tit for tat
i thoroughly know your position/opinion and respect it as yours