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Originally Posted by Ananci_7
Much of your arguments are, as you like to say, “strawmen”.
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So you claim.
Jeffries
"There was a conspiracy planned and plotted and programmed out of Hollywood, with people named Greenberg and Weisberg and Triglani and whatnot. Russian Jewry had control over the movies, and their financial partners, the Mafia, put together a system of destruction for the Black people."
But in books like “An Empire of their Own” which documents the Jewish cornering of the entertainment business in Hollywood, pretty much the same thing was shown. And this book, to my knowledge, was written by a Jew.
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Not really. I am a realist, and see a lot of faults in ethnocentrism in Judaic communities. Being a ‘goyim’ of Jewish decent (I have ‘conversos’ in my ancestry), I find Jews an interesting subject. Much like Afrodiasporic people. I grew up around Jews in Perú and was around them in college. I know they can be racist. Especially the Ashkenazi Jews. But there is no concerted block. I have seen as many Jews shooting down Jews for racism as I have seen racist Jews. One thing you won’t see as much, is Jews airing their dirty laundry. They are uber protective of their identity. I remember them shooting down “Kings of the Deal” which dealt with much of what “An Empire of their Own” did, but was written by a non-Jew. But I go on a semi-tangent.
Many Jews were the brokers, bankers, and financial advisors of Medieval Europe. They weren’t allowed to do anything else, but in this aspect that was seen as unclean at the time, they learned to excel. Jewish communities have learned to broker deals and many of their people will always have resources among them to help them thrive in any arena not closed to them. Many Jewish communities in Europe flourished within the constraints they were allowed to live in. Others much more restricted, like the Eastern European Jews did not, and do not have a history of business deals. In fact many became communist, until Russian ethnocentrism began the pogroms. Most Jews who became big business moguls were secular and may pay homage to ethnic lines but not as much to religious ties.
There is no surprise that in a media that was seen as experimental and looked down upon the Eastern media establishment, they were able to flourish and yes, even create a dynasty. Within the constraints of the mentality of American culture. Their bread and butter relied on popular support.
In the words of Neil Gabler, the author of the book you mention:
“Can it be that the godfather of the Jewish cabal that excludes Wasps, blacks and Brits pays obeisance to a higher authority? It can, because the studios and telecommunications empires that Cash identifies as predominantly Jewish are owned and controlled by non-Jews: MCA by Mashushita, Columbia and Tri-Star by Sony, Fox by Murdoch, Time-Warner by stockholders and a corporate board.”
“The godfather of the Jewish cabal that excludes Wasps, blacks and Brits” is a reference to “Kings of the Deal.” I don’t think there is any attempt to subjugate blacks as much as there is a desire to sell movies and a referencing of what will sell most in the majority White populace. If they see a trend, they will exploit it.
The biggest ‘plot’ I have seen would be in the portrayal of Arabs and German, in the media. Germans in the past and Arabs in the current times. Not Blacks.
By the way, most of the Moguls descend from Western European Jews, not Russian Jews.
The statement that Jews plotted a system for black destruction is blatantly false and racist. That a lot of Jews from one group of Judaism succeeded in the entertainment world. Is a far cry from that claim.
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But putting things into context, given the fact that the Jews themselves were victims of virulent racism and religious bigotry in the US, which itself was a holdover from the very long bigotry against Jews in Europe going back to the Roman Empire, and given the nature of US racism and theory of whiteness itself, it is understandable that Jewish filmmakers would capitalize on the stereotyping of Africans and African-Americans in early Hollywood. Also there is still much debate about just how many Jews, including those who would have been otherwise well-meaning, subscribed to the Hamitic myth as it was applied to African people.
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Jewish filmmakers made what would sell and was popular at the time. They would twist it as much as they could to help themselves, but not enough to lose their audience. There was no plot destroy any group. They perpetuated what was already there. They weren’t trying to rock the boat.
The “Hamitic myth” or fabled “Curse of Ham” is a Christian invention. For an honest look at Jews and perceptions of blacks, I recommend you read: “
The Curse of Ham: Race and Slavery in Early Judaism, Christianity, and Islam” by David Goldenberg.
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Their links with the Mafia should not be news either; that was almost a matter of natural course in the 1920s to the 60s (some may say even now) – remember the name Bugsy Siegel? Further in books like “Tribes: How Race, Religion and Identity Determines Success in the new Global Economy” by Joel Kotkin, it is shown that Jews, like may other ethnic and linguistic groups, organised trans-national cultural links usually tied to some symbolic or real homeland or cultural foundation. These links – like say, fraternities such as the Freemasons – provided real monetary, spiritual and sometimes even armed support that spanned the globe (I kinda like that one, wish we could get a clue, Drop Squad anyone?). Often people would be members of lodges like the Masons, Rosicrucians, or organisations like the Mafia and still have even deeper ethno-cultural links with their kin. What’s so newsworthy about that?
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Very true. Good book to mention. To explore the dark side of ethnocentric links a good book to read is “
World on Fire : How Exporting Free Market Democracy Breeds Ethnic Hatred and Global Instability” by Amy Chua. This still does not address Jeffries or Martin’s claims of a Jewish plot to undermine Blacks.
That which occurred in Europe, the European Nazi Holocaust of the European Jew has to do with white on white crime.
Well it was. What’s wrong with that statement? The Nazi atrocities against the Jews was indeed “white-on-white” crime
It has nothing to do with African people, Asian people, Native American people."
Well I’ll take issue with that. It had a lot to do with us and Asian people and not just b/c there were Africans who perished in the death camps along with Jews, gypsies and Russians. The Nazi theories of racial superiority grew out of a wider racialism of Europe and Euro-America going back to the 18th C at the very least.
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You answered your own question. The Nazi Holocaust had everything to do with racism and intolerance and Blacks were also exposed to this hatred. And to deny the relationship or minimize the experience as one irrelevant to explore is racist. To claim that if it is ‘white’ on ‘white’, it is not an issue, then it should be ignored is racist. And, in fact, to ignore ‘black’ on ‘black’ racist acts is just as flawed. As many groups that could be considered Black have had racist attitudes to each other. Racism isn’t confined to the classical racial categorizations. Races are different social constructs in different cultures.
Jews are a race of skunks and animals that stole Africa from the Black Man
When was this statement made and in what context? I mean, by itself it is indeed an unfortunate statement to make (although the charge that they “stole” Africa from Africans is itself not untrue. It’s just that, of course, it was also stolen by the Arabs, Romans, English, Belgians, Spanish, French and in some cases given away by the Africans themselves.
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Leonard Jeffries, "Our Sacred Mission," National Black United Front, (Text of a speech given to the Empire State Black Arts and Cultural Festival in Albany, New York, July 20, 1991);
"Anti-Semitism Among Black Student Groups," Jewish Virtual Library, (Originally published as Schooled in Hate: Anti-Semitism On Campus, Anti-Defamation League, 1997), but the context is irrelevant. It's racist. And please show me of any Jewish colony in Africa. There were Jews that participated in the slave trade as merchants. In other words these profiteers took what was there and made money on it. But please show me how they were active participants on colonialism in Africa.
Sorry, but his endorsement of Bradley and Jeffries is enough for me.
“Strawmen”
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Hardly. If he agrees with their claims then he buys into their beliefs. Do I blame him? Not really, he was raised in the segregated south. This does not take away from his positive accomplishments, or those of Ben-Jochannan, for that matter. But the racist beliefs are there. The Afrocentric beliefs are there. Its reactionary. They are products of their times, and you need to take the positive and slowly weed out the negative that was valid for their times, but not conductive for the future.