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Originally Posted by Ananci_7
*sigh*
It’s really a difficult decision to take a hiatus from this site to concentrate on my book, but then again, we seem to just be going round in circles.
How like you Otorongo, to print this article. Now what I would like you to do is to quote all the racist comments by Len Jefferies, Dr Ben and Dr Clarke.
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Sorry dog, I totally forgot about you.
Jeffries
"There was a conspiracy planned and plotted and programmed out of Hollywood, with people named Greenberg and Weisberg and Triglani and whatnot. Russian Jewry had control over the movies, and their financial partners, the Mafia, put together a system of destruction for the Black people."
"That which occurred in Europe, the European Nazi Holocaust of the European Jew has to do with white on white crime. It has nothing to do with African people, Asian people, Native American people."
"Jews are a race of skunks and animals that stole Africa from the Black Man"
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You will agree that context and culture are funny things and what may be acceptable in one culture will be attacked in another. Now I am not going to bother with the rhetoric of the NOI, - although I found it somewhat “strange” that nowhere was it mentioned that Dr Clarke himself on numerous occasions dismissed not only Drs West and Gates, but the NOI as well.
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Sorry, but his endorsement of Bradley and Jeffries is enough for me. He might not be an overt racist, but he sure congratulates the ones that have the mentality. And you should know by now there are self-haters in any group. So Bradley is no exception.
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Anyway, I was privileged to not only hear Dr Jeffries speak on three separate occasions, but also have a brief conversation with him as well as Trinidadian Dr Tony Martin who is in Trinidad right now, by the way. What is so objectionable may I ask, about his and Dr Martin’s claim that rich Jews financed the enslavement of Africans? Indeed, I find it disingenuous that little mention has been made that in all of their lectures dealing with the involvement of Jews in the enslavement of Africans, Drs Jefferies and Martin also made mention of everyone else, including other Africans, who participated in the Middle Passage.
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If they only claimed rich Jews, and rich Africans and other exploiters of human kind, we would befine, but you know well they didn't. The rhetoric they had was definitely very anti-jew.
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Tony Martin in particular, when the controversy arose with him, requested several times to engage in public debates with those who opposed him, not only was he refused, but it appears little mention was even made of that fact that he HAD made such requests.
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I'm sure you have the sources to back the claim.
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And for what it’s worth, no one denies that the Jews of the 15th-16th Cs in the royal courts of Catholic Europe were in a very difficult and fragile position. The story of these people including the conversos and Marranos, needs to be examined as an important analysis of the beginnings of modern-day racism. Western media in general and US media in particular, makes it a habit of sensationalising choice bits of a topic and blowing them up to appear as the issue. Rich Jews assisted in the financing of the slave trade, but not only of Africans, other non-Catholic whites as well including, possibly, Jews themselves who refused to convert. But like their modern counterparts the “capos” in the Nazi death camps, theirs was a virtually impossible position that I would not wish on anyone here.
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Something you would state, but something that was not enphasized in any place I have seen Martin mentioned.
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I particularly want to see your quotes and analyses, Oto, with this “Ice People” argument ascribed to Jefferies because as far as I know and have heard from him, all he has said was that Europeans, because of the harsh wintry ecological conditions of ancient Eurasia, developed a curious form of mindset built on a foundation of conflict, warfare and xenophobia, as a means of simple survival. This has been echoed not only by the “racist” Bradley, but also by other authors in separate studies like former Catholic priest James Carroll in his study of the history of bigotry against Jews by the Catholic Church, “Constantine’s Sword,” I believe you remember the quote I gave you just a couple weeks ago from his book dealing with Germanic culture.
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I remember reading an interview from Jeffries. He made similar claims. He said, he could back every claim he made of Jews. I have heard White racists say the same thing about blacks and criminality. Of course this completely ignores the vast majority that are not criminal. He also tried to excuse his philosophy, just like you are, trying to claim that this is a mentality developed in the ice age region. Of course this doesn't explain why violence occured in the middle east, and in warm southern Europe. Or Egypt, for that matter.
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As for the “faggot” talk: like I said, what is acceptable in one culture is attacked in another, now in most African-influenced cultures, be it among the African-American community, in the Caribbean and in Africa itself, homosexuality was, to say the least, an anomaly. It is fashionable now to project gay rights and gay lifestyle upon everyone’s psyche, but the fact is that it is not something that is accepted in all cultures and let me point out one time, for me, that does NOT mean the all these other cultures are backward and barbaric, although that is in itself another fashionable trait: to mock traditional cultural beliefs.
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The claim that Europeans brought homosexuality is a joke. It existed in Africa before Colonialism. Wide spread or not, to claim that it's a Euro corruption is racist. It assumes that all anomalies ahve to come from the evil other.
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But the thing is that knowing people like Dr Ben, Jeffries, et al, they would give their lectures in mannerisms and even using vernacular, that would be well familiar with the African-American/Afri-Caribbean audience they are addressing.
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Of course, sell the message to your audience. Play on their distrusts and they will agree with you more. Pull them in. Comedians, orators, etc do it all the time. Doesn't make the message better.
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Whites may not like it or even understand it, tough. Moderate blacks may not like it either – although many of them say the same things in the privacy of their own homes – but I do understand that for them, they picked a road that hopefully was the best of both worlds and are doing their part to make things better for their people in the face of a very complex racist structure.
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By practicing a modified version of fascism. Build the community within and sell them on the enemies as well.
Re “One settler, one bullet”
You really want to go there? You really want to discuss the rationale that leads up to a statement like that? You really want us to discuss the actions of European settlers in Africa from the heels of the 1884 Berlin Conference right up to the liberation struggles in the 1980s? The many atrocities committed – and the types of atrocities for that matter – by not only the settlers, but by mercenaries such as Mike Hoare, “Colonel” Callan, Executive Outcomes, the infamous Selous Scouts? What about the experiments in poisons and the murderous campaigns and operations financed by PriceWaterhouse Coopers, Firestone, DeBeers, Shell, Bayer, Cadbury’s? The “Keeni-Meeni” counter-gang operations in Kenya, in fact the whole British legacy in Kenya and Asia which is the subject of at least two books “Histories of the Hanged” and “Britian’s Gulag”. As a matter of fact, modern-day Jews, Israelis, had more than a passive role in Africa during the 70s and 80s.You really want us to open that bag of worms?
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You forgot King Leopold. The abuses were horrible. The memories are terrible. Many Africans have personal reasons to hate. But hating the children who may be innocent is still racism. I can understand those who were personally victimized in their own families. Not people who are a generation or more removed, and support the mentality from afar. You can open the bag of worms. Then prove to me all 'whites' in Africa (as they are all considered settlers) were seeding those worms.